Harveys And Westcoast Hide Toshiba Hd-dvd

[kamma]

i guess we got another HN salesdrone on our hands

[Skid_MacMarx]

How many people did you see whacking down their grand in cash for a pre-order ?

you have taken my post out of context, I was responding to CM's post:

........Blu-ray barely raises an eyebrow even with all the advertising and promotion it has had........

[AndrewW]

you have taken my post out of context, I was responding to CM's post:

that's fine, but there's a difference between "raising an eyebrow" and "opening the wallet"

Andrew.

[momaw]

you have taken my post out of context, I was responding to CM's post:

but Andrews response was still relevant, what is the point of all this advertising and "eyebrow raising" if it doesn't translate into sales?

[franin]

Jesus some people on this forum are so pathetic and pety that will resort to any level to take a dig at Harvey Norman, get over it!!!

Either way, from HN's perspective it's a wiser and more sure bet, betting on Blu-ray, lets see how many major studios are supporting blu-ray exclusively with releases ?

I've been to a couple of retravision and Powerhouses and I didn't even catch a glimpse of a HD-DVD player, but I saw much in the way of Blu-ray....so there goes your little conspiracy theory!

And too right the PS3 will introduce it to the aust public....and guess what?

Harvey Norman didnt invent the PS3 nor are they the only company selling them...! woah! bet you didn't know that!

You know many specialist computer outlets, etc will be selling ps3's too?

So seriously dude get your head out of your ass and write a letter to Gerry Harvey if your so angry!

firstly I wasn't taking a dig at harvey Norman.If you read properley without taking it to personal you will see that I im talking about harvey Norman being the biggest retail outlet and how they can encourage the general public in what to buy. Did I say they invented the ps3, no all I said was there pushing the ps3.Was that bad, jeez i don't think so.I also said that if they pushed the toshiba ( Now don't get upset ) then people would have heard of Hd-dvd. Do you think I care who wins. I have both formats so i don't give a **** who wins. I was not talking about specialist computer outlets, I was referring to High end shops like West coast hifi,surround sounds etc.Your taking this too personal, like a give **** on what a piece of **** like you have to say.Pity you champ, must be hard to be you.

[SimonB1503560073]

Jesus some people on this forum are so pathetic and pety that will resort to any level to take a dig at Harvey Norman, get over it!!!

Gee, and some people's skin seems just a little too thin. I read the post you're referring to (from FRANIN) and I didn't take it as an anti-HN rant. I think it was pretty spot on the money. It's actually quite enlightening to hang around the TV area at HN to hear what the 'average joe and josephine' think they NEED to buy. Blu Ray kept getting mentioned BY THE CUSTOMER when I was in there a few weeks ago.

Now, before I get slammed by any pro HD DVD'ers out there, I'm not a Blu Ray fanboy, by any means. I was almost going to buy a Toshiba HD DVD player a month or so ago, but I think they're ugly and there's no software available locally.

As for Blu Ray, if I check out the software that I DO manage to find, it's titles I've either never heard of or something I wouldn't dream of paying for... Oh, and yes, I do know a thing or 2 about importing stuff (I was importing DVD's before the video stores here even knew what they were), I just can't be bothered these days.

Sorry, got off subject a little. I guess, Christopher M.J.T, all I was trying to say is don't take every little thing written in here about Harvey Normal, err, Norman as an attack

Simon....

[Hydrology]

The only reason HN are pushing the PS3 is because its a guaranteed seller, and will possibly increase TV sales too. However, the average markup on a PS3 would be about 12.5 - 15%. In other words, they make bugger all money out of selling it.

[franin]

Gee, and some people's skin seems just a little too thin. I read the post you're referring to (from FRANIN) and I didn't take it as an anti-HN rant. I think it was pretty spot on the money. It's actually quite enlightening to hang around the TV area at HN to hear what the 'average joe and josephine' think they NEED to buy. Blu Ray kept getting mentioned BY THE CUSTOMER when I was in there a few weeks ago.

Now, before I get slammed by any pro HD DVD'ers out there, I'm not a Blu Ray fanboy, by any means. I was almost going to buy a Toshiba HD DVD player a month or so ago, but I think they're ugly and there's no software available locally.

As for Blu Ray, if I check out the software that I DO manage to find, it's titles I've either never heard of or something I wouldn't dream of paying for... Oh, and yes, I do know a thing or 2 about importing stuff (I was importing DVD's before the video stores here even knew what they were), I just can't be bothered these days.

Sorry, got off subject a little. I guess, Christopher M.J.T, all I was trying to say is don't take every little thing written in here about Harvey Normal, err, Norman as an attack

Simon....

Thanks simonB, At least you understood was I was trying say.If anything it was more positive for HN as most of the general public go there. 4 years intrest free not may people turn that down.

[Hussla]

Really, they don't even stock blu-ray here in those stores (or HD DVD for that matter).

Well here in Geelong most of the big stores, both HN's, Powerhouse, Retravision and im pretty sure Good Guys are stocking only blu-ray so far.

And this is a backwater hick town

One of the specialist shops Steve Bennet has gotten any HD players yet either BD or HDDVD and not sure about the other one.

firstly I wasn't taking a dig at harvey Norman.If you read properley without taking it to personal you will see that I im talking about harvey Norman being the biggest retail outlet and how they can encourage the general public in what to buy. Did I say they invented the ps3, no all I said was there pushing the ps3.Was that bad, jeez i don't think so.I also said that if they pushed the toshiba ( Now don't get upset ) then people would have heard of Hd-dvd. Do you think I care who wins. I have both formats so i don't give a **** who wins. I was not talking about specialist computer outlets, I was referring to High end shops like West coast hifi,surround sounds etc.Your taking this too personal, like a give **** on what a piece of **** like you have to say.Pity you champ, must be hard to be you.

now this discussion is getting more fun!

Yes your right, sorry as I said I wasn't trying to attack personally or anything just there's this whole attitude by people on this forum that HN is to blame for all the worlds woes amd it gets tiring to read, I just interpreted your post as more of that!

It's not a matter of HN or other pushing or not pushing Toshiba, but more Toshiba have really poorly marketed their product IMHO, so far the only HDDVD advertising ive seen here in aus was a billboard in Melbourne, then again Castel is probably more to blame for that and thankfully Toshiba is dumping their asses!

I was just in Tokyo recently and I have to admit I only ever saw Blu-ray players, blu-ray drives at a computer shop and almost nothing in the way of HD-DVD stuff. At the arena where they have Sumo wrestling in Tokyo all I saw hooked up to the TV's were panasonic BD players and I coulda quite easily stolen one haha especially considering their value here.

In Aus I think BD was a winner before it was even launched, mainly because the PS3 will be what will win it (well here in australia at least). I've seen a paid and deposite paid pre-order list for the PS3 and needless to say, for a town like this with only 250,000 people I was pretty suprised to see the number of people will to pay $1000 for a PS3.

Sure the 360 has the HD-DVD drive (and yes I intend to buy a 360 soon) but the lack of HDMI and the fact that its another box to tack on will be what hurts the interest in the XB360 as a HD-DVD player, it always struck me as an after thought by microsoft. It's an ugly and bulky addon IMHO!

Also Blu-ray rolls off your tounge better, just say it out loud, its alot more fun and easier to say!

HD-DVD to say it, its very clunky and awkard to verbally speak out loud....

So this is for everyone, stand in front of a mirror and chant each one and decide which sounds best to you!

Yes it sounds dumb but im serious!

[Skid_MacMarx]

but Andrews response was still relevant, what is the point of all this advertising and "eyebrow raising" if it doesn't translate into sales?

Considering both you and Andrew have purchased PS3s.. the marketing must be working

Did you have time to check out "Resistance" yesterday momaw?.. I noticed you were missing when we were discussing your ideas.. thought you must have been putting a few productive hours into gaming for a change.

[AndrewW]

Considering both you and Andrew have purchased PS3s.. the marketing must be working

Nope, the marketing was making me resist buying.

What finally convinced me to buy was reading that Sony lose US$250-300 on each console, and more on the 20Gb models

Andrew.

[momaw]

Considering both you and Andrew have purchased PS3s.. the marketing must be working

Did you have time to check out "Resistance" yesterday momaw?.. I noticed you were missing when we were discussing your ideas.. thought you must have been putting a few productive hours into gaming for a change.

Actually the studio support on BD is what worked on me, plus I don't like being told what I can and can't do and by having both (and the PS3 at the most subsidised price on the planet) I am in control of that choice.

I was at a wedding yesterday/last night. From what I gather it was mainly HJ trying to bag me out (obviously he is too stupid to understand what the "ignore" function does). I spent most of today doing as little as possible. Maybe tomorrow, but to be honest after only playing for 10 mins, I think I'll be playing Call Of Duty 3 on the 360 instead. Might watch a movie though.

[Skid_MacMarx]

I don't like being told what I can and can't do and by having both (and the PS3 at the most subsidised price on the planet) I am in control of that choice.

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Nope, the marketing was making me resist buying.

only joshing guys hence the wink

I spent most of today doing as little as possible. Maybe tomorrow, but to be honest after only playing for 10 mins, I think I'll be playing Call Of Duty 3 on the 360 instead. Might watch a movie though.

lucky you momaw.. you have too many choices.. games, movies ... RDO tomorrow hey?

A few of my gaming friends have found Resistance quite difficult to complete . Let me know how you get on when you get into it..

[momaw]

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only joshing guys hence the wink

lucky you momaw.. you have too many choices.. games, movies ... RDO tomorrow hey?

A few of my gaming friends have found Resistance quite difficult to complete . Let me know how you get on when you get into it..

Public Holiday here tomorrow

will let you know for sure. Unfortunately it looks to be quite a while before any truly great games are due for release. Doesn't bother me that much though as there are a few good 360 games just released and on the horizon.

[mrplou]

Just a few random points:

* HN and co will sell whatever gives them the best margin - as they should. We're not communists.

* Who gives a stuff about marketing and takeup in Australia. Even if blu-ray is everywhere and hd-dvd nowhere in Australia, it will make no difference to the long term viability of either format.

[momaw]

Just a few random points:

* HN and co will sell whatever gives them the best margin - as they should. We're not communists.

* Who gives a stuff about marketing and takeup in Australia. Even if blu-ray is everywhere and hd-dvd nowhere in Australia, it will make no difference to the long term viability of either format.

random, but true

[Skid_MacMarx]

Did I tell you momaw that the boys and I had a play of the demo of Motor storm on the PS3 the other day and we all were quite impressed..

Re the compatibility issue, It maybe true that those PS2 titles the boys now treasure will collect dust..

Like movies, (I can only watch a movie once or twice, and they have to be extremely special for me to go out purchase one to place on my book shelf).... it appears after reading a number of gaming forums, the majority of pudits, actually exchange the title for another after completing it.

If this is the case, you would think online downloading may be a more efficient (environmentally and economically) delivery means.

[franin]

Just a few random points:

* HN and co will sell whatever gives them the best margin - as they should. We're not communists.

* Who gives a stuff about marketing and takeup in Australia. Even if blu-ray is everywhere and hd-dvd nowhere in Australia, it will make no difference to the long term viability of either format.

your 100% spot on!

[momaw]

If this is the case, you would think online downloading may be a more efficient (environmentally and economically) delivery means.

You mean like the failed experiment that nearly killed the franchise called Half-life?

The market isn't ready for this, and neither is the infrastructure. Don't forget, we are the lucky few with broadband and even what most of us have in broadband is not adequate for the task. Do you see yourself downloading 16GB for resistance for example? Can your connection take the thrashing? How long would it take? Can your quota handle it? And that's just us with broadband. What about those on dial up or who have no internet. Consoles were made for these people as they don't/shouldn't need an internet connection to buy the hardware and games and play them. Why do you think consoles have grown in popularity while people use PC's for gaming less and less? The average person just does not want to deal with the bagage a PC brings. They want to go down to the local store, grab a game, come home, press the on button and start playing. They don't want to mess around with downloading, account setups and all the other hoops. And the big sticking point - a vast majority of average folk do not see the internet as a secure means of shopping. They are scared to death due to the scaremongering of the current affairs programs and have no idea how to secure their machines nor do they want to even get into it.

also

Never going to work in the instant gratification world.

Like movies, (I can only watch a movie once or twice, and they have to be extremely special for me to go out purchase one to place on my book shelf).... it appears after reading a number of gaming forums, the majority of pudits, actually exchange the title for another after completing it.

I fall into this category. I always sell my games on completion (unless it is something very special).

But, in regards to movies, I happily buy and don't mind watching good stuff repeatedly. Not to mention that most of the titles that interest me are not broadcast on tv or available to rent, so buying is the only option. I think DVD sales show many like to buy. Look at the explosion in TV DVD sales.

Did I tell you momaw that the boys and I had a play of the demo of Motor storm on the PS3 the other day and we all were quite impressed..

Visually impressive, but I find games like that quite shallow.

Just me though

[franin]

But, in regards to movies, I happily buy and don't mind watching good stuff repeatedly. Not to mention that most of the titles that interest me are not broadcast on tv or available to rent, so buying is the only option. I think DVD sales show many like to buy. Look at the explosion in TV DVD sales.

Just me though

I Love my movies, thats why im passionate about my home theatre.I have many sd dvd's.I watch movies 4 times a week, late at night.By doing that it takes me a year and half to go through all my films.By the time it gets to end, Im ready to watch the first one's again.There are times like im sick of watching a particular movie ( star wars ep 4-6 ).I have seen it since I was a kid.But if it came out on blu-ray or hd-dvd well then thats a diffrent story

[Skid_MacMarx]

The market isn't ready for this, and neither is the infrastructure. Don't forget, we are the lucky few with broadband and even what most of us have in broadband is not adequate for the task.

So no real threat to optical media until ultraband is common place?

. . .I happily buy and don't mind watching good stuff repeatedly. . .

I must admit I'm more into music (especially jazz and blues) than movies, and that probably explains why I purchase so few DVDs.

Even with "live concert" music DVDs, I find myself turning off the screen and just listening to it through the speakers..

I suppose its like friends of mine who say: why subscribe to the "World Movies" channel as the films will eventually be telecast by SBS.

Visually impressive, but I find games like that quite shallow.

you're speaking to someone who is lucky to play a console/computer game an hour each month

yes, the boys really like the graphics/ quality of image, and thought it was the best "racer" they had played .(BTW I actually liked the motorcycling)... but I agree with the "substance" comment, they also prefer adventure/puzzle games over racers/shooters..

[AndrewW]

they also prefer adventure/puzzle games over racers/shooters..

If that is really the case, you really should consider the 360.

It amazes me how much time I spend playing the puzzle games on xbox live arcade.

And to top it off they are cheap, from memory they range from around $3-$9, and they download quite quickly.

This is a serious post, cutting out all the fanboy crap.

One dad to another, do yourself a favour and check out the 360 before committing to the PS3.

Andrew.

[Skid_MacMarx]

One dad to another, do yourself a favour and check out the 360 before committing to the PS3.

thanks for that advice. . .Mark commented that the online services are much better as well,,

somehow I can see myself getting both consoles down the track.

I will check it out.

The trouble is most people I know only have the xbox not the 360 (without online facilities). But I will look into it

cheers

[Hydrology]

Unlike momaw I tend to keep most of the 360 games I purchase, as the online element keeps me happy and going! Im only maybe half way thru Gears of War because Im having such a blast playing multiplayer online. In fact, its the multiplayer element that usually helps to decide if I should buy a particular game or not.

[momaw]

Unlike momaw I tend to keep most of the 360 games I purchase, as the online element keeps me happy and going! Im only maybe half way thru Gears of War because Im having such a blast playing multiplayer online. In fact, its the multiplayer element that usually helps to decide if I should buy a particular game or not.

Got to admit, were I to partake in the "live" service, I might keep more games, but since I don't.....

It's funny, but most of the games I do keep, are my GBA roleplaying games. They just don't make em like that anymore.