franin Posted March 27, 2007 Author Posted March 27, 2007 Yeah it really blew me away when he put the fabric up... And I was thinking oh ****, I feel another upgrade coming on...! hehe Its good to hear positive replies about the screen.When I told my wife how much the screen was she could not believe screens could retail at that price.I told her they go even higher in price.I guess that depends on the sizes.
Samhain Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 Its good to hear positive replies about the screen.When I told my wife how much the screen was she could not believe screens could retail at that price.I told her they go even higher in price.I guess that depends on the sizes. Hmm well like I said... been lusting... and prolly will continue to do so lol.... 4k is about the retail price with around 3k wholesale through the only authorised distirbutor here in Aus....
The_Preacher1973 Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 I'm glad for you Franin.Stewart, stewart, stewart. When I had my display ISF callibrated and we were doing light output all you had to do was watch the meter climb when he put the Stewart fabric on my Oztheatre screen..... holy.....! (it piled on about 3 foot lamberts) Was the Stewart fabric the Studiotek 130, or Ultramatte 150 or 200?
oztheatre Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 Hi Nobby, you have my old old original fabric. Which at the time was ok for the price. However, it does not compare to my new fabrics at all. This is why we don't make it anymore. I would love to see a comparison between our new Evolution3D fabric (1.2 gain) and Studiotek130 (1.3 gain) (on paper the difference is .1 gain) It's scientifically impossible for one persons 1 gain screen to out perform the other persons 1 gain screen. It's the reflective properties of the fabric, so the higher the gain the brighter the image will appear when standing front on. Once you go off centre the image brightness must drop off. Sure, this will be more noticeable on 1.4 and higher gain screens. Sorry for being captain obvious! 1.2 to 1.3 gain is the sweet spot (for a number of reasons) and those guys in the US have done a wonderful job with that particular fabric. Whether it's worth 4-5 thousand dollars is your call. I'm glad for you Franin.Stewart, stewart, stewart. When I had my display ISF callibrated and we were doing light output all you had to do was watch the meter climb when he put the Stewart fabric on my Oztheatre screen..... holy.....! (it piled on about 3 foot lamberts)
JoshH Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 It's scientifically impossible for one persons 1 gain screento out perform the other persons 1 gain screen. No its not. Just because 2 screens have the same gain doesnt mean they will perform the same at all - or even reflect light at the same incidence. Stewart screens for example are designed and give the best result when the projector is used at the top of the screen so as to reflect the most light back at the viewer. I know this is not the case for other screens [some other yes, some others no] - the net result of which is different performance dependant upon configuration. And what about white field uniformity and spectral accuracy? This will and does vary wildly between brands of screen irrespective of wether their gains are the same. The net result of which is different performance.
oztheatre Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 No its not.Just because 2 screens have the same gain doesnt mean they will perform the same at all - or even reflect light at the same incidence. Stewart screens for example are designed and give the best result when the projector is used at the top of the screen so as to reflect the most light back at the viewer. I know this is not the case for other screens [some other yes, some others no] - the net result of which is different performance dependant upon configuration. And what about white field uniformity and spectral accuracy? This will and does vary wildly between brands of screen irrespective of wether their gains are the same. The net result of which is different performance. All reflective screens will perform best with the projector shooting down from above, thats how reflective screens work best. Stewart is not the only one using reflective screens.... 1 gain is 1 gain. A measurement against magnesium oxide - plaster without the paper on it - gyprock. A 1 gain screen cannot be beaten by another 1 gain screen unless its coated, in which case the gain will be higher or boosted. Spectral response yes, but more so for higher gain screens is what this would apply to. What one wants is a pure white substrate, and the smoother the better for home theatre. Slight sheen which will give you the relfectivity level desired. This can be achieved 2 ways, in the cast when the vinyl is being made, or added in a coat of spray. gotta run, busy busy.
Gino Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 No its not.Just because 2 screens have the same gain doesnt mean they will perform the same at all - or even reflect light at the same incidence. Stewart screens for example are designed and give the best result when the projector is used at the top of the screen so as to reflect the most light back at the viewer. I know this is not the case for other screens [some other yes, some others no] - the net result of which is different performance dependant upon configuration. And what about white field uniformity and spectral accuracy? This will and does vary wildly between brands of screen irrespective of wether their gains are the same. The net result of which is different performance. I agree, there is a difference between unity gain screens... I've got 1.0 gain from Screen Technics, Carada and Stewart, each performs differently. fL's still about the same, duh, but each does something a little different to the picture, and the better screens perform better across the whole width/length, and have wider viewing angles etc...
Jus1503561049 Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Hi FRANIN, Congrats on the screen purchase, rest assured you won't be dissappointed. I've extensively researched fixed screen options via personal observance and also by reading the myriad of posts on AVS that relate to comparisons made directly between the ST130 material and other Stewart screen materials such as the new'ish 1080p Firehawk G3 and most importantly that of other manufacturers. Ultimatley I keep coming back to the StudioTek as I'm confident that will provide the very best viewing surface in my room for the soon to arrive HD1 . So much so I placed an order for one several weeks ago and now have a crate containing a 92" diagonal Luxus Deluxe Screenwall sitting in my garage, StudioTek 130 material of course . I'm just completing some painting in my room so I won't be fitting it till all the finishing touches are done, which should coincide nicely with the arrival of the JVC rig. With regards price I feel your installer could do a little better than $200 less the $4K RRP, I managed to save quite a bit more than that and that was without too much hassle. Obviously it's not always about the lowest price as the trusting relationship you may have developed with your installer over a number years is often worth more than a few bucks in the long run. IIRC glenned over at AVS has made the effort to take some quite accurate measurements of the the ST130. Basically his findings echo the reports of many posts here, in that the colour accuracy is very good in that the spectral response or more precisely shift is very minimal. The screen does in fact measure a true 1.3 gain when used with an inverted projector with its lens close to the top edge of the screen which is the optimium for a angular reflective screen. Also full field uniformity is very good but not quite as perfect as one might expect. I believe he measured a gradual roll off in screen luminance using a spot photometer which resulted in the very extreme edge of the horizontal plane being 15% lower in footlamberts than the screen centre. i.e. 16 at screen centre would equate to 13.5 'ish at the screen edge which I consider to be very good. One other point that seems to be noted by those that have critically compared this screen to others is the texture/sheen or more precisely lack thereof that the 130 material provides. The hot tip is that the screen surface imparts absolutely no visible artifact upon the image being displayed which is very important to me as personally I'm quite bothered by even a minor amount of texturing/sheen. Once again congrats on your pending purchase, Jus.
franin Posted March 28, 2007 Author Posted March 28, 2007 Thanks Jus.I ended up getting the Stewart Filmscreen 92" Studiotech 130 with Luxus-Deluxe frame for $3,800.00.The installer recommended them to me highly as he has been to my room and he is much of an enthuiast as i am.It's good to hear positive replies rearding the screen.Thanks again.
JoshH Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Thanks Jus.I ended up getting the Stewart Filmscreen 92" Studiotech 130 with Luxus-Deluxe frame for $3,800.00.The installer recommended them to me highly as he has been to my room and he is much of an enthuiast as i am.It's good to hear positive replies rearding the screen.Thanks again. Your going to Love it!
RodN Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Hi Nobby, you have my old old original fabric. Which at the timewas ok for the price. However, it does not compare to my new fabrics at all. This is why we don't make it anymore. I would love to see a comparison between our new Evolution3D fabric (1.2 gain) and Studiotek130 (1.3 gain) (on paper the difference is .1 gain) Now Richard you are giving me yet another excuse to upgrade! My point was not about my screen's performance it was just about the stewarts brightness. I'm still very happy with the price vs performance ratio that the Majestic has/is given me.
Guest bobot Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Thanks Jus.I ended up getting the Stewart Filmscreen 92" Studiotech 130 with Luxus-Deluxe frame for $3,800.00.The installer recommended them to me highly as he has been to my room and he is much of an enthuiast as i am.It's good to hear positive replies rearding the screen.Thanks again. Can you let me know who you bought this screen from. I could not get a price under $4300. Congrats
franin Posted March 28, 2007 Author Posted March 28, 2007 Can you let me know who you bought this screen from. I could not get a price under $4300. Congrats Frank Prowse.He did me a deal as I am getting two pairs of speakers also.The installer has become a good friend.
Guest bobot Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Frank Prowse.He did me a deal as I am getting two pairs of speakers also.The installer has become a good friend. Thanks FRANIN.
JoshH Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Thanks FRANIN. You can PM me if you like - I can get you one under $4k.
Guest bobot Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 You can PM me if you like - I can get you one under $4k. will do
Gino Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 Won't someone take my 121" Stewart Luxus Deluxe Screenwall from me?? Mint condition.. only asking $2K!
norpus Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 Won't someone take my 121" Stewart Luxus Deluxe Screenwall from me?? Mint condition.. only asking $2K! I would Gino in a flash if I didn't need an electric for my situation, sorry
JoshH Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 Won't someone take my 121" Stewart Luxus Deluxe Screenwall from me?? Mint condition.. only asking $2K! Whack it on ebay! Amazing what sells on ebay and for how much!
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