ozrgv Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 In JB chadestone/melb had the Pana 65", full HD panel set up. Goodness its a big beastie you'd need a big lounge for this one! Well worth a look if anyone is in the area as its a mighty impressive display - hell it had better be with a sticker price of $18k Anyway I WANT ONE & I've started saving now (should have a downpayment ready by around 2015 ) Did make me wonder how much heat this screen would put out - I suspect its really a super-expensive heater which makes a picture as a by-product Has anyone else noticed the 'cables can make a difference' display they have set up in this store? They Have split screen on a 50" pana- one conneted with component & one with composite. To be fair the seem to be using similar quality cables on both connections??? so not sure what they are trying to say?? (meaning to be misleading or not??). Actually it really is great way to illlustrate to non-tech friends yes CONNECTION type really does make difference (very apparent on this split screen)- so not sure what they are meaning to imply? Hope they are not using it as a dodgy way of selling expensive cables??!
AndrewWilliams Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 Where do people use displays like these? If you're going for home theatre, I'd say a front or rear projection setup is a better idea. On the other hand, they're probably too big to hang on a wall. Anyone own one?
drsmith Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 A thin flat screen panel on a wall is far better aesthetically than the bulk of a rear pro, all other things being equal. Things are far from equal however and it's amazing that that the consumer desire for thin flat panels is such that Panasonic have the confidence to retail this screen for more than twice the RRP of the Sony SXRD's.
Owen Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 I’ll bet the majority of 65” Plasma owners will not mount them on a wall, but on a stand. When stand mounted the flatness of a panel is of no practical advantage and the SXRD looks the same except from the side. After seeing the 65” Panasonic and the 70” SXRD side by side, you would really have to want a flat panel to choose the Panasonic over the Sony. Even if the relative pricing were reversed I would still take the Sony over the Panasonic no picture quality grounds.
50mxe20 Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 After seeing the 65" Panasonic and the 70" SXRD side by side, you would really have to want a flat panel to choose the Panasonic over the Sony.Even if the relative pricing were reversed I would still take the Sony over the Panasonic no picture quality grounds. High praise indeed. What about the 65" Panasonic vs the 60" SXRD?I think you are 2 posts away from a red tele!
gusangora Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 The "Good Guys' in Nunawading have both the 70" SXRD and the 65" Panasonic Plasma on display, for comparison (although quite a distance apart). Obviously, I too prefer the SXRD. Steve
drsmith Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 I am of the view that flat panels look much better wall mounted than on a stand. Had I chosen to purchase a Panasonic Plasma, I would have purchased a commercial version over a retail version as the commercial versions are much better suited to wall mounting both in terms of screen area relative to total area of the unit and the location of the inputs. Obviously, I too prefer the SXRD. For overall performance and value, me 3. Even if the relative pricing were reversed I would still take the Sony over the Panasonic no picture quality grounds. I take it this is because you can mod the Sony in order to increase its lead in black level performance over to the Panasonic 65". Cogratulatuions on the red telly by the way.
ozrgv Posted March 14, 2007 Author Posted March 14, 2007 If i had the money (which I dont! boo!) I would purchase a large plasma hands down over any sort of projector. Its nothing to do with athestics (or space) either (& I would wall mount it too!)- I just prefer the image quality. I dont subscribe to the idea the objective of Home theater is to replicate a 'cinema' like environment. For me a screen has to do a lot more things than just play movies - eg image various types of video quality/FTA/foxtel etc, use with PC & also for games etc. Not convinced projector technology is effective for all of above. To my eyes all direct view technology looks better than projected images. Just me I guess .
bac Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 If i had the money (which I dont! boo!) I would purchase a large plasma hands down over any sort of projector. Its nothing to do with athestics (or space) either (& I would wall mount it too!)- I just prefer the image quality. I dont subscribe to the idea the objective of Home theater is to replicate a 'cinema' like environment. For me a screen has to do a lot more things than just play movies - eg image various types of video quality/FTA/foxtel etc, use with PC & also for games etc. Not convinced projector technology is effective for all of above. To my eyes all direct view technology looks better than projected images. Just me I guess . Have you had a look at a Sony SXRD? I was a front/rear pro hater until I saw one of these... Cheers, BAC
mattis Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 This 65" Panasonic is interesting because despite being a 1920x1080 display, it does not accept progressive input at this resolution (according to the specs). They tout it as the Blu Ray display of choice and with much of sales hype surrounding Blu Ray being about the 1080p nature of the content (inspite of how it is processed in the player at 1080i anyway, a story for another day), it is a surprise to see this beheamoth of a thing doesn't take 1080p! Kind of makes you wonder how young this model isn't or how rushed to market it was. I am sure it is nonetheless impressive and I'd own one but for the price tag. Matt
madmax Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 This 65" Panasonic is interesting because despite being a 1920x1080 display, it does not accept progressive input at this resolution (according to the specs). They tout it as the Blu Ray display of choice and with much of sales hype surrounding Blu Ray being about the 1080p nature of the content (inspite of how it is processed in the player at 1080i anyway, a story for another day), it is a surprise to see this beheamoth of a thing doesn't take 1080p! This might not be correct, see Owen's post here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=43327&st=20
PersianImmortal Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Have you had a look at a Sony SXRD? I was a front/rear pro hater until I saw one of these... Does the SxRD have a wide viewing angle and even lighting all over the screen?
gusangora Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Very wide side-to-side viewing, not so wide up or down. In other words, the horizontal viewing axis is fantastic but there are variations in brightness once you move off the vertical axis.
drsmith Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Does the SxRD have a wide viewing angle and even lighting all over the screen? This was done to death (mostly by me ) in the 100+ page SXRD thread. Horizontal viewing angle is good, but vertical viewing angle is tight and I stand the unit such that the eye level is near the centre horizontal axis when seated to overcome this. If you considering upgrading your 42" plasma, the best thing is to check the SXRD out in a store to determine whether the viewing angle characteristics of the SXRD is a critical issue for you.
Owen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I think you are 2 posts away from a red tele! Thanks mate, but I don’t understand the “red push” on my forum tele icon. I have had this before but the bar must have been lifted as it went back to blue. 3070 posts seems a very arbitrary number, how does that work? Do I win a prize, or just get a kick in the bum for spending so much time on an internet forum? I know what my other half would say.
50mxe20 Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Thanks mate, but I don't understand the "red push" on my forum tele icon.I have had this before but the bar must have been lifted as it went back to blue. 3070 posts seems a very arbitrary number, how does that work? There was a re-structuring of the cut-offs on the forum a few months back OR you had some posts deleted. Anyway the new cut-offs (or steps) are illustrated here: Dtv Forum Rankings.They are quite logical in a binary sense! (8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 3072, 4096, 5120, 6144, 7168, 8192, 10000, 10001)
Owen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I take it this is because you can mod the Sony in order to increase its lead in black level performance over to the Panasonic 65". The SXRD has much better blacks then the Panasonic standard. Being able to improve on the already good blacks with a few mods is a just icing on the cake. Sony TV’s have dreadful default settings and the SXRD’s are no exception, which in a direct comparison with the Panasonic 65”puts the SXRD at a disadvantage. Colour accuracy is outstanding as standard on the Panasonic, but is way off on the SXRD, with way too much red and a little too much green. Once the SXRD is set up properly it looks much better and easily competes with the Panasonic and betters it in most respects IMHO. Advantages of the SXRD are outstanding shadow detail and colour detail as well as a super low noise floor, as it does not need to dither like a Plasma. The only visible negative I notice on the SXRD is SSE, which is only sometimes noticeable to me and I can live with it. I could not live with the Panasonic due to its poor blacks. Good blacks are required for a top quality picture on a large variety of content and any display with poor blacks is fatally flawed in my view.
vinilink1503560355 Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Thanks mate, but I don’t understand the “red push” on my forum tele icon.I have had this before but the bar must have been lifted as it went back to blue. 3070 posts seems a very arbitrary number, how does that work? Do I win a prize, or just get a kick in the bum for spending so much time on an internet forum? I know what my other half would say. Maybe due to lack of black level on your computer monitor????
Owen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Maybe due to lack of black level on your computer monitor???? Could be, it’s one of those LCD jobs with pathetic blacks.
AndrewWilliams Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I have never been impressed with a rear projection TV in a shop. My local WOW store has about 7-8 of them setup, mostly DLP and few LCD and they all look pathetic compared to the Plasmas and LCDs. It was only once I visted a guy who had a 55" 3LCD rear-pro properly setup in a theatre room that I realised how superior they can be. I then bought an SXRD and was even more impressed. (to say the least) Owen is dead right in that the only issues with the SXRDs are slight SSE and limited vertical viewing angle. Once you've got one setup properly and you're armchair is in roughly the right spot, those issues disappear and you're left with generation-leading picture quality. The SXRDs are just as superior with Foxtel, video games and DVDs as they are with HD-DVD.
Owen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I have no vertical viewing angle issues what so ever on my 70”. Standing up or sitting down the picture looks the same. From what I have seen viewing angles are tighter on the 60”. My 70” also has excellent geometry, with only a pixel or two error an all sides after a little fine tuning.
kitcho9 Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I'm yet to be blown away by my 70 inch SXRD yet. It's only been turned on for about 4hrs and while the picture quality is good, it's still slightly grainy - even at 3 metres back. I'm running it via the Sony HD STB and perhaps the material I've watched hasn't been True HD. Certainly a good TV but as I said yet to be blown away. I'm looking forward to hooking up my PS3 when I get it because Free to Air really isn't doing it for me.
Owen Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I doubt you will be “blown away” by any source, including BluRay or HDDVD. Anything shot on film has heaps of grain and free to air TV also suffers from compression related noise. The SXRD treats poor quality source better then anything else I have seen, and creates no noise of its own, unlike most digital displays. The 65” Panasonic Plasma is definitely not better with poor source. I have never used the STB, so maybe it is not the best.
drsmith Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I have no vertical viewing angle issues what so ever on my 70”.Standing up or sitting down the picture looks the same. You must have very short legs.
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