PLANT Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I can't see in the FAQ's an explanation of RETAILER B*%^$%@T. Can someone put a table on here of whats....what as price seems to be the only indicator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecowboy Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 HD Ready = If TV can display 576p or better True HD = ? Full HD = If TV can display full 1080 lines Im sure someone will have a more in depth answer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I can't see in the FAQ's an explanation of RETAILER B*%^$%@T.Can someone put a table on here of whats....what as price seems to be the only indicator! HD Ready - Will accept an HD signal, but is not an HD resolution display (ie only a 480p display, but will accept a 720p/1080i signal and downscale for display) Full HD - is just another marketing term for 1080p True HD - Hadn't heard that one before. Andrew. hint: don't buy HD Ready, its not HD at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bitey Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Just ask what the resolution is and forget all the other bullshit. 1920x1080 is the highest HD resolution. Everything else is just jargon Bitey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakes Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 [True HD - Hadn't heard that one before. "True HD" is, I believe, just Samsung's marketing term equivalent to "Full HD", ie 1080p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLANT Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Mr Bitey and it must be progressive? 1080p Just open your JB Hi-Fi catalogue and each display has Hd (True,Ready and now Full) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chugs Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 HD Ready - Will accept an HD signal, but is not an HD resolution display (ie only a 480p display, but will accept a 720p/1080i signal and downscale for display)Full HD - is just another marketing term for 1080p True HD - Hadn't heard that one before. Andrew. hint: don't buy HD Ready, its not HD at all. full-HD (as i just found out) does not mean 1080p - it means 576i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgdownload Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 It a common forum bugbear (and even we do't quite agree how its all meant to be defined). Essentially there's a bunch of marketing clap trap (aka HD Ready) as you've discovered. The rest tends to be about bang for buck. That is, you can buy the best, true, full, progessive HD TV you can find but it may only look 5% better than one half the price. Some simple rules (I follow): 1) Size matters. HD was largely 'invented' to allow TV screens to get bigger. If you show SD on a TV much larger than 42" it starts getting pixelated. HD isn't so much about getting photgraphic clarity but more about retaining image quality as you blow up the picture. 2) 1080p is 'true HD'. However such sets are still horribly expensive and the benefit of 1080p over 1080i is somewhat marginal in most viewing situations 3) Distance from screen matters. Sit 2-3m back from a 42" screen and you'll be had pressed to see much difference between HD and SD signals. If you're sitting closer then it becomes much more apparent. Bigger screens tend to mean you sit further back (so purchasing large HD screen is in some ways a little self defeating ) 4) As mentioned resolution is more important. Most 'standard' HD screens are now around 1024x768 pixels. This displays SD brilliantly and HD pretty damn well. You can get higher resolutions but you'll pay for it. 5) Note that HD broadcasts are also pretty farcical at the moment. So only a very few shows will take advantage of a top notch 1080i (they'll never broadcast 1080p) recording. This will no doubt change but probably not overly in the next 5 years 6) Last note on cables, don't be kidded into getting $100's of dollars worth. Just get a good quality bunch (esp if its HDMI) and you'll be fine. Not exactly what you're asking but others have given the technical answers. Hopefully something here might help with the actual in store experience. Regards Peter Gillespie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakes Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 full-HD (as i just found out) does not mean 1080p - it means 576i I don't believe this is correct. Full HD is what Sony (and others) are calling 1080p. Where did you hear/read otherwise? I don't think there's any situation in which 576i could be considered 'HD', full or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 full-HD (as i just found out) does not mean 1080p - it means 576i wrong. Did you click on my link ? Andrew. 4) As mentioned resolution is more important. Most 'standard' HD screens are now around 1024x768 pixels. This displays SD brilliantly and HD pretty damn well. You can get higher resolutions but you'll pay for it. 1366x768 is another common resolution, especially for LCD tvs. Andrew. Mr Bitey and it must be progressive? 1080p You need to be careful if you are talking progressive input or progressive display. All LCDs and Plasmas are Progressive Display (they refresh the entire screen in one go). CRT tvs can either be interlaced or progressive. As far as inputs go, for HD DVD and Blu Ray and the next gen gaming consoles (360,PS3) there is no real difference between 1080i and 1080p, as long as the tv has a decent de-interlacer. Where it will make a difference is with broadcast tv, but then the most you will get out of an Australian broadcaster for a long time is 1080i (most of them can't even manage that). More info here and here Cheers, Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanaSung Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 For people who just want a TV....if you have the room, get any one of these. 1....Panasonic 42in SD plasma{awesome for DVD, FTA, and Foxtel}....these TV's will still accept HD signals, but will only playback at SD resolution,....which is nothing to sneeze at, they look good for SD{also consider NEC 42in SD plasma}. 2...Panasonic 42in HD plasma{10x7}...and as Peter mentioned, they're a good all round compromise, however, they're $500 more than NEC SD plasma+ you need a HD STB, and a PVR to record HD FTA, although you can't make a HD hardcopy, but you can make a SD hardcopy....got all that, lol. 3...42-50in Sony 3LCD HDTV's....priced at a ridiculous $1400 for 42 and $1999 for 50in. 4....56in LG DLP HDTV with built in HD tuner{$2000}.....awesome size, and still the best PQ I've ever seen{but not suggesting it's tech is the best}. 5....whilst maybe not the best option for SDTV, WOW were selling a 37in Sharp LCD with built in HD tuner for $2100, and trust me, 32in is for your PC desk, not the bedroom, and certainly not the lounge, so 37inches counts for something. ============================== Being I've just got back from WOW Underwood{one of the best showrooms in SEQ.....if someone thinks there's one better, please let me know}.....I must continue to heap praise on Plasma as the king of TV's{WOW has the 65 Pana 1080 constantly showing Fantastic 4}, but it's more so the PQ and size of the 42-50in Plasma's that do it for me. WOW has all the LCD's generally showing CH9 today, but I couldn't get my head behind them to see the connections, but from what little I could see, it looked like composite....despite that, it looked better than dreaded CH7 I saw last time. Special mention to Sharp....their new LCD's had the best PQ, they had a massive increase in contrast, ie, much darker and clearer picture. Also they appeared to have a Bray player hooked up to a Sharp 32in LCD.....the PQ was as good as I've seen on an LCD, but it must have been 720p. If the Sharp PQ is anything to go by, I think this is going to be a strong year for LCD, cause we ain't seen nuthin yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1503559538 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I can't see in the FAQ's an explanation of RETAILER B*%^$%@T.Can someone put a table on here of whats....what as price seems to be the only indicator! It all looks the same unless you're some type of anal retentive who analyses every pixel from microscopic distances. Just buy what looks best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 so does HD ready look better than SD?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50mxe20 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 so does HD ready look better than SD?? Are you fishing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 IMO ABSOLUTELY!! I have a Panasonic 50" PX series and really appreciate it when the broadcasters show content in HD. It's good...very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 so does HD ready look better than SD?? Yes definitely PROVIDED you use an appropriate viewing distance for the size of the display. No use buying a 40” 1080p display and then view it from 4 meters. You would be wasting your time and money. For your eyes to fully resolve 1920x1080 a 70” screen needs to be viewed from no more then about 3 meters. Smaller screens will need to be viewed from much closer, which does not suit everyone. For the screen size – viewing distance used by most people a 720 or 768 display is more then enough. In general display resolution is the least important factor in creating a good image. Other aspects of performance such as black level, video processing, colour accuracy etc are much more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Being I've just got back from WOW Underwood{one of the best showrooms in SEQ.....if someone thinks there's one better, please let me know}..... Tell us again how much you get each time you mention that store ? btw, nice hijack of the thread. The question that was asked was about the definition of the various HD marketing terms. Please let's not drag this into another SD vs HD troll-fest. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Are you fishing? No I always thought HD on a HD Ready TV was only as good as SD, but reading some things here got me thinking maybe it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 NoI always thought HD on a HD Ready TV was only as good as SD, but reading some things here got me thinking maybe it's not. Of course the problem with the term HD Ready is that it applies equally to a SD 480p display as well as a 1080p display. So in the first case you'd be right and in the second you'd be wrong. IMHO, the term HD Ready should be banned as false advertising. And of course, in reality, the term HD Ready is usually only applied to SD panels that accept HD signals. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgdownload Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 No I always thought HD on a HD Ready TV was only as good as SD, but reading some things here got me thinking maybe it's not.HD Ready is a joke (as many mentioned) but even really good 'real' HD TVs are HD Ready As a general rule displaying a HD image on a 480 line TV is a bit of a waste of time/money.Regards Peter Gillespie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanaSung Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Tell us again how much you get each time you mention that store ?btw, nice hijack of the thread. The question that was asked was about the definition of the various HD marketing terms. Please let's not drag this into another SD vs HD troll-fest. Andrew. 42inch NEC SD plasma=$1400....BOOM!!!!, you're set. 42in Pana HD plasma with built in hd tuner is approx $2700+ requires hexy PVR to record HD signals....IOW, you're up for nearly $2000 more to go HD in this particular example.....so it's hardly a non issue Mr Wilcockson. I'm here to offer up all options to the best of my ability, but I'm not here to intimidate people into believing purchasing a HDTV is an absolute must right this minute. People do have the option of going SD plasma for a few yrs, then they could grab a 1080 plasma or other 1080 HDTV and mate it to Blueray+ an extensive library of PS3 games. HDTV is the bomb, but where's the godamn content as at 13/03/07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I'm here to offer up all options to the best of my ability, but I'm not here to intimidate people into believing purchasing a HDTV is an absolute must right this minute. Nobody was asking for your opinion. The OP was asking about the various marketing terms used to sell HD displays. Take you anti-HD crap and bugger off back to the SD forum. Andrew. HDTV is the bomb, but where's the godamn content as at 13/03/07. Show me where HDTV (I am assuming you mean HD television broadcasts) is mention in the original post. How do you know that he isn't looking for a display to hook up his HD DVD player, Blu Ray player, PS3 or xbox 360 to ? Poxtel isn't the only source of content available you know ... Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanaSung Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Nobody was asking for your opinion.The OP was asking about the various marketing terms used to sell HD displays. Take you anti-HD crap and bugger off back to the SD forum. Andrew. But I'm not anti HDTV....I have HDTV Also, I made an assumption that the indivdual wasn't an enthusiast, and I made another assumption that people with limited knowledge of all things HDTV would pop into this thread, so I spared some of my valuable time in the name of basic HDTV training. I have 2 jobs at the moment, and one involves dealing with the public{no...not at WOW}, and I know for a fact that most people haven't got the foggiest idea of what's what about HDTV.....but because I have HDTV , and because I want the PS3, I've developed an interest in the subject. Thanks for hearing me out Wilco, it was very cathartic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 and here and here But I'm not anti HDTV....I have HDTV Kinda reminds of people who say "I'm not racist, my best friend is Asian, but ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanaSung Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Here, here and here. So you're openly advocating the dling of torrents, and actually believe that most people know how to use them and have the gig limit to even dl one per month? Cosy world you're living in, but most people simply want a decent TV, ie, something that handles the popular stuff like FTA, DVD, Foxtel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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