Best 24-27in 1080 Pc Monitor.

[PanaSung]

Samsung.

Benq

Dell.

Acer

Gateway{???}

Being that these monitors can double as PC HDTV monitors, they're fairly desirable these days, so I thought we'd start a thread on them.......+ the PS3 is nearly upon us.

I'm not sure if getting a 27 makes any sense, primarily because you could get a 24in Acer and a 32in LCD HDTV for close to the same money, however, I suspect that 27in will make for a better desktop than 24@1900x1200.

I should point out that there are new models on the way and that this thread might take a while to develop, but if you do have a 24-27 please let us know about the panels quality and features, eg, 1:1 pixel mapping especially.

[mauricem]

Samsung.

Benq

Dell.

Acer

Gateway{???}

Being that these monitors can double as PC HDTV monitors, they're fairly desirable these days, so I thought we'd start a thread on them.......+ the PS3 is nearly upon us.

I'm not sure if getting a 27 makes any sense, primarily because you could get a 24in Acer and a 32in LCD HDTV for close to the same money, however, I suspect that 27in will make for a better desktop than 24@1900x1200.

I should point out that there are new models on the way and that this thread might take a while to develop, but if you do have a 24-27 please let us know about the panels quality and features, eg, 1:1 pixel mapping especially.

the dell 27" will do 1:1 pixel mapping, the 24 will not afaik. Ive used both and find the text a tad small on the 24. The color is better on the 27 as well and there are no banding issues.

I wouldnt pay $2000 for one but I recently scored 2 bundled with sytems at a very good price. As such I have one spare if anyone is interested. It owes me just under $1400.

There are some big threads on whirlpool about them.

[Scalpel]

Why stop at 24-27"

My ideal monitor is the 3007 WFP (HC version ideally) Dell 30" 2560 x 1600 widescreen LCD.

Excepting the dual link DVI connection (and thus need for a grunty video card to drive the impressive resolution), the screen is great (although needs to be on 'special' from Dell at approx $2100 to be a reasonable buy).

No good for any other use than being connected to a PC though, as it does not support connections other than the DVI (and has no internal scaler).

J.

[PanaSung]

Why stop at 24-27"

My ideal monitor is the 3007 WFP (HC version ideally) Dell 30" 2560 x 1600 widescreen LCD.

Excepting the dual link DVI connection (and thus need for a grunty video card to drive the impressive resolution), the screen is great (although needs to be on 'special' from Dell at approx $2100 to be a reasonable buy).

No good for any other use than being connected to a PC though, as it does not support connections other than the DVI (and has no internal scaler).

J.

No offense, but I think you've answered your own questions.

Also, at some point, we have to be reasonable about how much we spend to play PC games, LOL.

I want to buy the PS3, but don't want to buy this gens large 1080 LCD's, and in fact, I may never buy a 1080 LCD HDTV, I'm probably going to get a 1080 Plasma{55-58in}

What I'm trying to determine is which 24-27in 1080 PC LCD will do 1:1 pix mapping, not be plagued by various problems, and generally kickass for the PC.

I may not be able to resist the DELL 27 or the Samsung 27, but I want to wait till a number of comprehensive Aussie reviews are done on them.

To me, the ideal 1080 PC monitor must do 1:1, and must support proper playback of both the PS3 and the 360, and it must have aspect ratio control that handles 720p HDTV for example, ie, upscale a 720p signal to 1080@16:9.

It's possible that the latest video cards and HDTV cards might have AR control, but I'm not sure...hence this type of thread.

[complectus]

Dell 30" 2560 x 1600 widescreen LCD...

...No good for any other use than being connected to a PC though, as it does not support connections other than the DVI (and has no internal scaler).

J.

Also note that HDCP over dual-link DVI does not work on any current video card with current high definition playback software, & may never work. Right now, there is no way to watch HDCP protected content at either its full resolution or upscaled to the display's native resolution on any of the available 30" 2560x1600 displays. You have to connect them to a single-link dvi port & run them at 1280x800 to get any picture at all.

So say bi-bi to pretty BluRay & HD-DVD pictures on your AUD2.5K wide colour gamut 30" desktop monster for the foreseeable future...

Shiteous, n'est-ce pas?

[Scalpel]

Also note that HDCP over dual-link DVI does not work on any current video card with current high definition playback software, & may never work. Right now, there is no way to watch HDCP protected content at either its full resolution or upscaled to the display's native resolution on any of the available 30" 2560x1600 displays. You have to connect them to a single-link dvi port & run them at 1280x800 to get any picture at all.

So say bi-bi to pretty BluRay & HD-DVD pictures on your AUD2.5K wide colour gamut 30" desktop monster for the foreseeable future...

Shiteous, n'est-ce pas?

Thanks for that post - I hadnt come across that information anywhere (easy to find now that I look!).

Hmmmm, maybe the 27" Dell isnt such a bad choice after all ....

Given that a purchase of the 3007 would be for the next 5+ years, this has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm.

J.

[complectus]

Thanks for that post - I hadnt come across that information anywhere (easy to find now that I look!).

Hmmmm, maybe the 27" Dell isnt such a bad choice after all ....

Given that a purchase of the 3007 would be for the next 5+ years, this has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm.

J.

Same here... I hardly believed it when i first read about it and it's still unclear exactly how disastrous it will be. On the Dell forums, many people have complained of HDCP errors or no picture when trying to watch BluRay & HD-DVD movies, but in a recent Anandtech article, the reviewer states

"The good news is that so far none of the HDCP videos that we've seen are enabling the Image Constraint Token, so for now you should be able to get full quality video whether you have an HDCP LCD, non-HDCP LCD, or even an older analog display. The only thing that appears to be required right now for viewing HDCP content on a computer is a graphics card that supports HDCP."

So maybe the problem mentioned in the Dell forums related to the playback software & it has been fixed with an update since i read about it, or maybe the Image Constraint Token is more commonly used than the Anandtech reviewer thinks...

Either way, it leaves me hesitant to buy one of these monitors.

[PanaSung]

Questions that need answering WRT the DELL.

What happens when you connect a PS3 to it's DVI via a HDMI/DVI dongle?

What happens when you connect any Bluray player to the DELL's DVI via HDMI/DVI dongle.

[Scalpel]

Questions that need answering WRT the DELL.

What happens when you connect a PS3 to it's DVI via a HDMI/DVI dongle?

What happens when you connect any Bluray player to the DELL's DVI via HDMI/DVI dongle.

I presume that you are refering to the sub 30" screens - the 3007 cannot connect to a single DVI port at full resolution (2560x1600), as this requires a dual DVI connection from a video card. The 3007 has no other connectors. As mentioned above, no video cards support HDCP over a dualDVI connection (the monitor can support this apparently, although one wonders how you could actually test this). The upshot is that you cant connect a HDMI device to the 3007.

The 24" (2407) should work with no problems - try reading (here - How to Connect your PS3 to the DELL 2407WFP at 1080p". The 2407 has both DVI and component support (not sure about 1080 over component though)

Not sure about the 2707, but should be the same as the 2407. (this) thread suggests that it works

J.

J.

[MikeAusDTV]

DVI is just a subset of the HDMI connections, so there's a good chance it will work well.

Jaycar now sell HDMI to DVI adapters (just a big plug) so you can buy an HDMI-HDMI cable which you can use elsewhere later, rather than the specialised HDMI-DVI cable.

Mike

[50mxe20]

What about Viewsonic?

[PanaSung]

What about Viewsonic?

Which one?

[PanaSung]

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Not sure about the 2707, but should be the same as the 2407. (this) thread suggests that it works

Sounds like the 27 will work for PS3 and bluray.

Supposedly has 1:1 pixel mapping{extremely important, otherwise my 640x480 video's will get stretched to King Faroucks House, LOL.

Although if my 5 yr old CRT were to kick the bucket tomorrow, I'd grab a HD ready 32 and try that as a PC monitor.

[betty boop]

probably worth checking out this thread re lcd pc monitors

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtop...749&hl=dell

I've got the dell 2407 and very happy with it.

one word of warnign with screens such as this they are extremely revealing of poor source. especially since you are sitting so close to it as a pc monitor. expect to see every artifact with DTV broadcast and overall the broadcast quality really isnt that good given the poor bit rates the networks broadcast at. all the picture imperfactions are very hard to ignore.

it is a lovely monitor though and it took not long at all to adjust to its size up from our previous.

I think this is the peach in the dell range with the 5 year warranty they give plus the low price they had when I was buying and is even cheaper now at $999.

[PanaSung]

probably worth checking out this thread re lcd pc monitors

one word of warnign with screens such as this they are extremely revealing of poor source. especially since you are sitting so close to it as a pc monitor. expect to see every artifact with DTV broadcast and overall the broadcast quality really isnt that good given the poor bit rates the networks broadcast at. all the picture imperfactions are very hard to ignore.

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So DVD's are a disaster?

Obviously I'm waiting for Samsung and co to release their 27-28's, but the 27 is supposed to be a much better panel than any of the current 24's.

I get a funny feeling I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and get both a 27 and a 32 720p for my PC duties.

Then when the price is right, I'm going to talk myself into buying a 55-58in 1080 Plasma....lol.

[betty boop]

So DVD's are a disaster?

Obviously I'm waiting for Samsung and co to release their 27-28's, but the 27 is supposed to be a much better panel than any of the current 24's.

I get a funny feeling I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and get both a 27 and a 32 720p for my PC duties.

Then when the price is right, I'm going to talk myself into buying a 55-58in 1080 Plasma....lol.

DVDs ? havent watched any on it. though DVDs dont usually have the artifacts of dtv. I'd say DVDs would be jsut fine. my wife has made some home videos via miniDv and they look just fine as well.

but yes the screens are still revealing and if you are going bigger on these and still sitting at the same distance then they will only be more revealing unless you go for a lower res screen.

only way is to get out an experience these for your self on the same ref material at the distance you are going to be sitting at.

a 55-58in 1080 plasma ? thats goign to be big jump up in price from a $999 pc lcd monitor

[taksan]

Why stop at 24-27"

My ideal monitor is the 3007 WFP (HC version ideally) Dell 30" 2560 x 1600 widescreen LCD.

Excepting the dual link DVI connection (and thus need for a grunty video card to drive the impressive resolution), the screen is great (although needs to be on 'special' from Dell at approx $2100 to be a reasonable buy).

No good for any other use than being connected to a PC though, as it does not support connections other than the DVI (and has no internal scaler).

J.

We have a dozen or more of these at work and they are pretty good ...much better then the Apple 30"'s we also have.

We also have a few of the Dell 27"'s and they are pretty good too but you do miss the resolution of the 30"'s.

[PanaSung]

only way is to get out an experience these for your self on the same ref material at the distance you are going to be sitting at.

a 55-58in 1080 plasma ? thats goign to be big jump up in price from a $999 pc lcd monitor

My bedroom is 4x3.5m, so I have enough room to set my PC desk up and all that jazz.....my main focus is on being happy with the PQ for games, PC, HDTV and bluray, and if that means a 27+ a 32 720p, then that's way it's gonna be this time round.

I'm thinking that the 24's are going to drop in price, and the new Samsung 27 might open at $1599 if we're lucky....but I must say, I do like the stlying of the DELL, and as far as I can tell, no-one is complaining about the LCD's abilities, but I wouldn't pay 2k for it when I can get a 24 and a 32 for that right now.

This is also going to be a one time cost, ie, things will sort themselves out sooner or later+ 1080p is a very high standard, so despite future improvements in res/PQ, I don't think there's going to be that urge to upgrade beyond 1080p, like there is with SDTV.

As for the big screen Plasma, it just seems to me that once you hit 55-56in in size, you cross some sort of barrier whereby the screen looks a hell of a lot bigger than a 50, despite only being 5 or so inches larger.....anyway, I won't pay a stupid premuim for a 58, but if the price is right, I think it woud be a fabulous HDTV.

I have heaps of room in my lounge, but I really don't watch much typical TV, so everythings going in my room, and 58inches would be the absolute max I could squeeze in there.

[betty boop]

My bedroom is 4x3.5m, so I have enough room to set my PC desk up and all that jazz.....my main focus is on being happy with the PQ for games, PC, HDTV and bluray, and if that means a 27+ a 32 720p, then that's way it's gonna be this time round.

I'm thinking that the 24's are going to drop in price, and the new Samsung 27 might open at $1599 if we're lucky....but I must say, I do like the stlying of the DELL, and as far as I can tell, no-one is complaining about the LCD's abilities, but I wouldn't pay 2k for it when I can get a 24 and a 32 for that right now.

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I dont understand the paying $2k for a dell, the 2407 24" dell is $999 on their website now

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This is also going to be a one time cost, ie, things will sort themselves out sooner or later+ 1080p is a very high standard, so despite future improvements in res/PQ, I don't think there's going to be that urge to upgrade beyond 1080p, like there is with SDTV.

As for the big screen Plasma, it just seems to me that once you hit 55-56in in size, you cross some sort of barrier whereby the screen looks a hell of a lot bigger than a 50, despite only being 5 or so inches larger.....anyway, I won't pay a stupid premuim for a 58, but if the price is right, I think it woud be a fabulous HDTV.

I have heaps of room in my lounge, but I really don't watch much typical TV, so everythings going in my room, and 58inches would be the absolute max I could squeeze in there.

a 55" 1920x1080 screen is still crazy money far and away higher than anythign we're talking here. give it time though and prices of those will plummet. at present iof buyign one of those you are payign a huge premiun for cutting edge.

if its jsut a tv you want. somethgin liek this maybe worth considering ?.

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=47132

it doesnt have the res of the dells and maybe not the pq either but maybe worth checkign out ?

basically you still get what you pay for theres no easy ins yet with any of this stuff

[PanaSung]

The 27 is $2k.

Btw, I'm not interested in no-name 2006 LCD.....you can have them

I'm in the market for LCD this year, but the Plasma could be 2 yrs away.

The most I'd pay for 55in 1080 Plas with inbuilt tuner is 4k....so give me a bell when we get there

[betty boop]

The 27 is $2k.

Btw, I'm not interested in no-name 2006 LCD.....you can have them

I'm in the market for LCD this year, but the Plasma could be 2 yrs away.

The most I'd pay for 55in 1080 Plas with inbuilt tuner is 4k....so give me a bell when we get there

personally I'd take the dell 24" over the 27" which is at twice the price ! 3" pfft not worth $1000. infact i'd go as far as sayign you'd be silly to buy the 27" for a $1000 over the 24". the 30" though different proposition at only $200 more that the 27" and sits well for the money.

a 55" 1080 plas for 4k think you might be waiting a while.

think you have the palsma lcd thing wrong way around. its plasmas that are mroe affodable than lcds. jsut make your own comaprisons between brand name options.

one other comparison to make it interesting. consider the 30" dell at $2100 and then have a look at a 42" panasonic SD plasma for the same money. I'd take the bigger acreae of the pana any day. but then spend only a little mroe and can get a 42" japanese made 1080 line hitachi plasma . a 30" 1080 line lcd vs 42" 1080 line plasma... for me the choice is easy...thats nto to say others wont choose different...see these comparisons are not that easy. only you can decide whats best for you.

noname lcds ? who makes the panels inside the brand name ones ? you might be suprised. that said no way I'd touch a bargain basement lcd either.

[PanaSung]

personally I'd take the dell 24" over the 27" which is at twice the price ! 3" pfft not worth $1000. infact i'd go as far as sayign you'd be silly to buy the 27" for a $1000 over the 24". the 30" though different proposition at only $200 more that the 27" and sits well for the money.

a 55" 1080 plas for 4k think you might be waiting a while.

Here's the way I see it.....if I get the 24, it's most likely to be too small to really show off HDTV, also, I don't think the extra inches would hurt for gaming.

Another concern I have is the size of the desktop@19x12....so I thought the 27 would solve all that.

As I said, the Samsung 27 will put heaps of pressure on the DELL.....also, I believe prices have held because of the introduction of PS3, so in a few months, the 27 DELL might be $1500.

Now some might say,....well you could get a 32 HDTV for that....true, but only 720p.

The 30in DELL is a bullshit nutters monitor.....it might suit professionals and mad gamers, but it isn't designed to cater for external devices, and nor is the panel as high a spec as the 27......you need to factor in the quality of the 27's panel over the 24....it's new gen stuff almost.

As for the plas....I'm in no hurray, I'm more concerned with my PC....so I can wait.

[50mxe20]

Samsung.

Benq

Dell.

Acer

Gateway{???}

This was a generic list. Why do I have to name a specific model. So again,

What about Viewsonic?

[PanaSung]

This was a generic list. Why do I have to name a specific model. So again,

What about Viewsonic?

Viewsonic what?

[50mxe20]

Viewsonic what?

LCD.