momaw Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 In a move that if successful could do for HD DVD many times over what the PS3 has done for Blu-ray, Toshiba is looking to get the 1 billion strong population of India behind it through Bollywood. http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2007/107030705.asp And who said the war would be decided in the US?
MeWhoElse Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 In a move that if successful could do for HD DVD many times over what the PS3 has done for Blu-ray, Toshiba is looking to get the 1 billion strong population of India behind it through Bollywood.http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2007/107030705.asp And who said the war would be decided in the US? Or 9hrs earlier LOL
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Or 9hrs earlier LOL glad I'm not the only one to make that mistake must admit I'm not a big fan of Indian films (I like the music .. sitat tabla etc and cusine though ) but hey what a market!!!!!!
MeWhoElse Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Even if only 10% could afford the technology, that is huge!
Chesty Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Even if only 10% could afford the technology, that is huge! Not the old India thing again...
sulimo Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 And who said the war would be decided in the US? I wondered about that. Or whether the world market would fragment, with one format winning in some areas whilst the other in other areas.
snaggs1503560016 Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 In a move that if successful could do for HD DVD many times over what the PS3 has done for Blu-ray, Toshiba is looking to get the 1 billion strong population of India behind it through Bollywood.http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2007/107030705.asp And who said the war would be decided in the US? Just out of interest, what percentage of your weekly viewing is bollywood? Daniel.
Chesty Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Just out of interest, what percentage of your weekly viewing is bollywood?Daniel. His nickname isnt "The Maharaj Mo" for nothing...
momaw Posted March 8, 2007 Author Posted March 8, 2007 Just out of interest, what percentage of your weekly viewing is bollywood?Daniel. 0% But obviously you are right, the largest movie industry in the world with the biggest viewing population is sure to have zero effect on the format war.
palmag Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Great!,I can't to see Sharu Khan in High def....... lol In all seriousness, The indian market is a gigantic market, and will boost HD DVD's profile.
laurie Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 And it will be letterboxed within a letterbox size was amazed watching satellite Indian tv must admit though its colorful cheers laurie
momaw Posted March 9, 2007 Author Posted March 9, 2007 And it will be letterboxed within a letterbox size was amazed watching satellite Indian tv must admit though its colorful cheers laurie how is that different to foxtel?
sulimo Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 with the biggest viewing population 2nd. China is till #1 IIRC.
migrane Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 The only problem I can see with India is the availability of masters for making HD discs. Indian cinema distribution has embraced digital cinema extensively but at the low end of resolution. (This may even be 1024 x 768, but hopefully at least 1280 x 720.) So I see it as unlikely that HD discs will catch on.
momaw Posted March 9, 2007 Author Posted March 9, 2007 The only problem I can see with India is the availability of masters for making HD discs.Indian cinema distribution has embraced digital cinema extensively but at the low end of resolution. (This may even be 1024 x 768, but hopefully at least 1280 x 720.) So I see it as unlikely that HD discs will catch on. Alternatively their cinema's will be "revolutionised" with HD-XA1's being their source player. 2nd. China is till #1 IIRC. population yes, but going to the movies, I don't think so. Could be wrong.
boric Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 population yes, but going to the movies, I don't think so. And going to the movies is not the same as buying an HD-DVD player and discs. India will continue to be a theatre going country for the forseeable future. Do you know what the DVD penetration rate for India is? Have you had a look at India's GDP, average and median wages? They are low enough to conclude that the Indian market means absolutely nothing in the short to medium term. Western nations (particularly North America, Japan, western Europe) are the market simply by virtue of having populations that have very high percentages of people earning enough disposable income to spend on high tech toys.
betty boop Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 the movie bussiness is masive in india and when I say massive think of how big it could possibly be and you still wouldnt be close and then theres the buying public which even if a small proportion of the total indian poplulation is still huge far and outweighing anything like even ours here.
laurie Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Strange though haven't ever seen a Indian porn vhs or dvd content [not that I have been looking ]and from memory kissing is not allowed on screen they get close but the frame ends there... I stand to be corrected cheers laurie
boric Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 the movie bussiness is masive in india and when I say massive think of how big it could possibly be and you still wouldnt be closeand then theres the buying public which even if a small proportion of the total indian poplulation is still huge far and outweighing anything like even ours here. The indian movie business is indeed massive (but not as big as you think, it has the highest ticket sales by far, but countries with half the ticket sales have 10 times the revenue). And the buying public is actually quite small (only 7% of revenue is from video/dvd and that's mostly rentals). There are only about 13 million dvd players in India and that's only because DVD players have dropped to about US$30 each (I've seen figures that suggest only 3 million Indian households have a dvd player). Assuming 2 in 3 Australian households have a dvd player and you've got about 6 million dvd players in Aus backed up by owners with a crap load more disposable income than the 13 million owners in India (remember 200 million Indians live on less than US$1 a day, even if you triple their income they are not buying HD-DVD). I understand the Australian film market (theatre,dvd etc) is now the 2nd largest in Asia/Pacific after Japan and ahead of South Korea. Until HD-DVD players hit a similar US$30 each, the Indian market will be insignificant compared to the western market.
momaw Posted March 9, 2007 Author Posted March 9, 2007 The indian movie business is indeed massive (but not as big as you think, it has the highest ticket sales by far, but countries with half the ticket sales have 10 times the revenue). And the buying public is actually quite small (only 7% of revenue is from video/dvd and that's mostly rentals). There are only about 13 million dvd players in India and that's only because DVD players have dropped to about US$30 each (I've seen figures that suggest only 3 million Indian households have a dvd player). Assuming 2 in 3 Australian households have a dvd player and you've got about 6 million dvd players in Aus backed up by owners with a crap load more disposable income than the 13 million owners in India (remember 200 million Indians live on less than US$1 a day, even if you triple their income they are not buying HD-DVD). I understand the Australian film market (theatre,dvd etc) is now the 2nd largest in Asia/Pacific after Japan and ahead of South Korea. Until HD-DVD players hit a similar US$30 each, the Indian market will be insignificant compared to the western market. Indians tend to make up the largest ethnic groups in most western countries and those guys do have disposable income. Sure this move is not going to end the format war, but however you look at it, if toshiba can stitch up bollywood distribution on HD DVD, then it will go a long way to help it out as a format. Not to mention the follow on effect. HD DVD is supposedly a preferred format (if you believe Hewlett Packard reps) when it comes to other major asian countries. HD DVD is clearly the format of choice in most European countries, if for no reason other than region free status giving them access to all the US releases. Ultimately this could put HD DVD ahead. The "rest of the world" market is larger than the doemestic US market and in my opinion could have more influence if it is decidedly one way than a divided US market will. One thing I find amusing is the BD diehards saying the Japanese market is 90% blu-ray and that is indicative of the format war result. The problem with this is the Japanese market works on a completely different and unique basis and will probably have the least impact on the war. If the Japanese market was an indicator, the xbox would be dead, Gamecube would have been a massive seller, we would all have PVR's with 14 High Def tuners, HD DVD burners and Foxtel capability, we would have had video phones nearly a decade ago, arcades would rule the gaming market and all schoolgirls would wear those sweet uniforms.
betty boop Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 The indian movie business is indeed massive (but not as big as you think, it has the highest ticket sales by far, but countries with half the ticket sales have 10 times the revenue). And the buying public is actually quite small (only 7% of revenue is from video/dvd and that's mostly rentals). There are only about 13 million dvd players in India and that's only because DVD players have dropped to about US$30 each (I've seen figures that suggest only 3 million Indian households have a dvd player). Assuming 2 in 3 Australian households have a dvd player and you've got about 6 million dvd players in Aus backed up by owners with a crap load more disposable income than the 13 million owners in India (remember 200 million Indians live on less than US$1 a day, even if you triple their income they are not buying HD-DVD). I understand the Australian film market (theatre,dvd etc) is now the 2nd largest in Asia/Pacific after Japan and ahead of South Korea. Until HD-DVD players hit a similar US$30 each, the Indian market will be insignificant compared to the western market. I think you underestimate things boric. theres more in india for instance were watchign cable when we first even started talking about foxtel. then theres the mobile phone useage in india talk ot anyone in telecommunications re mobile telecommunications there. the indian population is on a massive ramp up in standard of living thanks to the global market and the new silicone valley over there. And theyre gobblign up technology at a suprising rate. also as momaw says there is a massive indian popluation in the western world. I think many will be suprised especially those who underestimate what is possible over there.
momaw Posted March 9, 2007 Author Posted March 9, 2007 I think you underestimate things boric. theres more in india for instance were watchign cable when we first even started talking about foxtel. then theres the mobile phone useage in india talk ot anyone in telecommunications re mobile telecommunications there. the indian population is on a massive ramp up in standard of living thanks to the global market and the new silicone valley over there. And theyre gobblign up technology at a suprising rate. also as momaw says there is a massive indian popluation in the western world. I think many will be suprised especially those who underestimate what is possible over there. Yep, over a decade ago India passed the US in computer technology.
Nevyn72 Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think you underestimate things boric. theres more in india for instance were watchign cable when we first even started talking about foxtel...... Latest figures indicate that the affluent middle class in India (pocket money burning a hole...) now greatly exceed the entire population Australia (currently @ around 20 Million). Pretty easy in a country with a population of well over a Billion!
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