Gutty Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 Interested in buy a DTS CD, but having never seen or heard one before, i'm not sure of a few things. Can anyone help with a couple of questions ? Will it play in a DTS capable DVD player, or will it play in my CD player ? I'm lead to believe they're done in 5.1 so thinking the DVD player. Is the sound any good compared to normal CD ? If they play on a DVD player, are they region coded ? Thanks Matt
dvduser Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 ='Mar 5 2007, 11:54 AM' post='609941']Will it play in a DTS capable DVD player - Yes, in a player with DTS decoding or will it play in my CD player ? - Yes, but you'll only get the Stereo soundtrack Is the sound any good compared to normal CD ? - A well recorded Stereo version will give you a better sound stage if that is what you are after If they play on a DVD player, are they region coded ? - AFAIK CDs are not region encoded so it should play without any problems
brodricj Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 Will it play in a DTS capable DVD player, or will it play in my CD player ? You need a DTS decoder somewhere in the loop or you will just hear noise. Your CD player should be able to output the DTS bitsream to an external decoder, or your DTS capable DVD player will output the decoded signals on its 5.1 output. Not sure about only 2-ch being available if played on a CD player, will give it a try. I suspect it will only output noise; there should be a warning to this effect printed on the Cd cover.
Gutty Posted March 5, 2007 Author Posted March 5, 2007 They are recorded at 16bit 44.1kHz quality as per the CD standard, and just like CD's, some sound good and some don't. Ok, i have a DTS capable DVD player, and a DTS capable AVR. So what if this is done in 24BIT. Could i expect it to be good ? A well recorded Stereo version will give you a better sound stage if that is what you are after Well, typically yes, it's all about the sound. Hmmm..... to buy or not to buy Thanks guys.
Cody Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 i initially thought you must be talking about DVD-A, but a quick google has revealed there are infact DTS 5.1 CD's - well there you go, I'd never heard of them before. have you seen any for sale locally or are you looking at importing or buying online?
Gutty Posted March 5, 2007 Author Posted March 5, 2007 i initially thought you must be talking about DVD-A, but a quick google has revealed there are infact DTS 5.1 CD's - well there you go, I'd never heard of them before.have you seen any for sale locally or are you looking at importing or buying online? *Hopes no one else runs off and buys it* This I guess the big question, given that i'm an old Nirvana fan...is it worth $50 ?
MELso Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 To play back DTS CDs, you need either a CD player or a DVD player with digital output and a receiver with a DTS decoder OR a DVD player with built in DTS decoding. There are NO stereo tracks on DTS CDs and any attempts to use analog outputs on a CD player or DVD player without DTS decoder will lead to hearing an earful of static and possibly blown speakers (which is why they don't carry a CD logo). The basic technology is that there is a DTS bitstream in a LPCM container (similar to how DIVX uses AVI as a container). The sound isn't quite as good as SACD, although they are a lot easier to errr... back up... Some worthwhile titles I like include The Police Every Breath You Take, Sheryl Crow's The Globe Sessions, Eric Clapton's 461 Ocean Boulevard and Wings' Band on the Run. Gutty - I've NEVER seen that Nirvana DTS CD before, and it wasn't officially released by DTS, so take care...
Gutty Posted March 5, 2007 Author Posted March 5, 2007 To play back DTS CDs, you need either a CD player or a DVD player with digital output and a receiver with a DTS decoder OR a DVD player with built in DTS decoding.There are NO stereo tracks on DTS CDs and any attempts to use analog outputs on a CD player or DVD player without DTS decoder will lead to hearing an earful of static and possibly blown speakers (which is why they don't carry a CD logo). The basic technology is that there is a DTS bitstream in a LPCM container (similar to how DIVX uses AVI as a container). The sound isn't quite as good as SACD, although they are a lot easier to errr... back up... Some worthwhile titles I like include The Police Every Breath You Take, Sheryl Crow's The Globe Sessions, Eric Clapton's 461 Ocean Boulevard and Wings' Band on the Run. Gutty - I've NEVER seen that Nirvana DTS CD before, and it wasn't officially released by DTS, so take care... Hmmm, well i figure, WTF and bought it. It's supposed to be new and unopened. If it's not genuine, i think i'll have grounds to return for a refund. On the other hand, if it sounds good, i'll be a happy chappy Cheers for all the info guys
bizzibee Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 I've got a few DTS encode surround CDs. See: http://www.dtsonline.com/entertainment/catalogue/ The End Of The Innocence by Don Henley which has a few tracks in DTS-ES. See: http://www.dtsonline.com/entertainment/cat...pc=692860106222 Also have On Air by Alan Parsons. See: http://www.dtsonline.com/entertainment/cat...pc=710215441429 Also have the DVD One Woman`s Live Journey by Olivia Newton-John which is a DVD-Audio but also has DTS. See: http://www.dtsonline.com/entertainment/cat...pc=692860108097 Here is what is available on DTS CD from www.cdpacific.com which is where I buy my SACD etc. from. http://www.cdpacific.com/search.asp?cd=0&a...sacd=0&fl=1
kamma Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 i managed to get my hands on a copy of that dts 5.1 promo cd that swedish radio did a couple of yearsago. it sounds awesome
Gutty Posted March 5, 2007 Author Posted March 5, 2007 Gutty - I've NEVER seen that Nirvana DTS CD before, and it wasn't officially released by DTS, so take care... Well, i've emailed DTS about this...lets just hope they can be bothered replying. I've also contacted the seller about the CDs authenticity and asked that he save us both some hassle and cancel my purchase if it's not 100% genuine. Searching google, and i can't find ANY info on this CD.... Maybe i'm learning my first lesson in "the dark side of ebay" *slap himself in the face*.......*Do your research FIRST Gutty....do your research FIRST*....
Spearmint Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 You can also buy some DTS CD's from Trevor Lees in Melbourne.
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 Considering this compilation was only a single CD It appears this edition from Universal also includes a DTS 5.1 disc best of both worlds....great score.. I actually thought DTS-CD went the same way as HD-CDs.... there you go hey
Guest Conifer Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 I have 7 dts cd's, I like all of them. i think there great! And sound great in 5.1
Cody Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 You can also buy some DTS CD's from Trevor Lees in Melbourne. interesting, might grab a few and see how good they are...
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 It would be interesting if they eventually release a number of Audio - only DTS HD Master titles. http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php
Neon Kitten Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Gutty - I've NEVER seen that Nirvana DTS CD before, and it wasn't officially released by DTS, so take care... Almost 100% certainly a pirated disc. The references to it in various online places as a "gold CD" virtually guarantees that. There are NO 5.1 surround mixes of Nirvana's music, period. Such mixes do not exist. It's likely yet another one of those dreadful fake-5.1 pirate "albums" that turn up as torrents.
Gutty Posted March 6, 2007 Author Posted March 6, 2007 Almost 100% certainly a pirated disc. The references to it in various online places as a "gold CD" virtually guarantees that.There are NO 5.1 surround mixes of Nirvana's music, period. Such mixes do not exist. I'm now 99% convinced it is a fake, as i can't find a scrap of info on it anywhere, and will be sending it straight back when it arrives. Filing a complaint with ebay if necessary. I'm not into pirate stuff, especially when it costs me $50. Though i believe it's possible to buy legit "digitally remastered" DVDs of Live Tonight Sold Out in 5.1.
Cody Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 It would be interesting if they eventually release a number of Audio - only DTS HD Master titles.http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php indeed, im really looking forward to DTS HD / TrueHD music (with or without video) - huge potential there i think and a chance for a hi-rez format to successfully become a mass market product - just like music SD DVD's are now I'm now 99% convinced it is a fake, as i can't find a scrap of info on it anywhere, and will be sending it straight back when it arrives. Filing a complaint with ebay if necessary. I'm not into pirate stuff, especially when it costs me $50. Though i believe it's possible to buy legit "digitally remastered" DVDs of Live Tonight Sold Out in 5.1. bummer, did you hear back from the seller? i hope you paid by PayPal, as the seller has buyer protection.
spoco2 Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 I'm now 99% convinced it is a fake, as i can't find a scrap of info on it anywhere, and will be sending it straight back when it arrives. Filing a complaint with ebay if necessary. I'm not into pirate stuff, especially when it costs me $50. Though i believe it's possible to buy legit "digitally remastered" DVDs of Live Tonight Sold Out in 5.1. I would say it certainly is... how could you not think so from the photo and the asian writing on it (I know there are a lot of Japan only releases... but a DTS Nirvana one)? eBay is like a big flea market, except you have the benefit of being able to research your product online before buying easily with eBay... hard to do at a flea market. I'll say you have next to zero chance of getting your money back. However your tale of woe has lead me to now be interested in getting a real DTS CD
Gutty Posted March 6, 2007 Author Posted March 6, 2007 I'll say you have next to zero chance of getting your money back. Ebay doesn't take pirate material being sold on their site lightly.
spoco2 Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Ebay doesn't take pirate material being sold on their site lightly. Have you ever had any luck with it though? I know we had different case where bought an item off someone and they never sent it... out of the $35 eBay got back about $7 and that was it... no further action. I hope you can get out of it, as $50 is a fair whack o' cash. Also, I'm sure that if you end up receiving the good the CD will have a 'DTS' track, it'll just be a recode of the standard old CD tracks from the actual CD release.
Gutty Posted March 7, 2007 Author Posted March 7, 2007 Well, i've emailed DTS, Universal USA, and their office in sydney. Hopefully atleast one of them will get back to me with something concrete that might help with an ebay dispute. Going through all the sellers feedback, which is 99.5% good, all items disputed were resolved. So i'm hoping the seller will simply let me return it for refund, but if that doesn't work out and i get any info from DTS or Universal i'll file a fruad complaint with ebay and hope for the best. Teach me to be so eager to buy i guess....a lesson learnt. Edit: Well, the CD just arrived. Gotta love being charged $6 postage and recieve a CD, wrapped and taped in a piece of A4 paper with a 50c stamp on it. Anyway, according to the cover it was released by Polydor(Universal UK) so i've also emailed them for any info. If it is infact a fake, i must say it's quite well done. pics here here and here. Is in a 3 fold cardboard CD case, not one of the normal plastic 2 CD cases. The printing is perfect, and it has at some stage had a price tag on it(i know this means nothing). Although i haven't taken it out of the plastic, i can see the inside booklet is there, and not just 2 pages like other fake Sliver CDs i've been reading about such as these.
Neon Kitten Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 If it is infact a fake, i must say it's quite well done. pics here here and here. Going by the back cover shot, the clues to it being fake are obvious: 1. The DTS logo is a made-up one, not the DTS company's one and only official logo, and 2. The record label listed is Polydor. Nirvana releases are not on Polydor, but on DGC Records, a company that was distributed by Universal long before the merge with PolyGram. That, as well as the previously mentioned fact that no 5.1 surround mixes of these songs were ever done.
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) It could be a Hong Kong release....mmmm released on Geffen in HK... maybe Taiwan .. released on "Universal" there I don't know about DTS Entertainment being the only outlet for DTS 5.1 Discs? Regardless some of these pirates can fetch top dollar (depending how many are circulating) anyway proof is in the pudding .. how does it sound? Edited March 7, 2007 by Skid_MacMarx
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