Ch7 V8 Supercars Not In Hd!?!?!?!?!?!

[jim1]

As a side, speaking to a proud Panasonic employee the other day. ABC was shopping around with Sony, Canon and Panasonic with the aim to replace all their AV gear starting next year. They considered all formats of cameras and have decided on Panasonic.

WOW who cares? The format they have chosen is SD (Secure Digital) flash cards. The new broadcast cameras will use 4 SD card slots. When a 32gb card fills up the card is removed and transmitted back to HQ while the 2nd, 3rd, 4th cards keep recording. Then the 1st card is inserted again, giving infinite recording capabilities.

I presume MPEG2 recording is used.

The P2 cameras you are talking about are only going to replace the current Betacam SX Fleet, Studio 21 and Melbournes OB Van will have Sony High Definition Cameras and the Digital Betacam replacement is most likely to be the High Definition version of the Panasonic P2 cameras.

I'm not sure how you think the pictures are going to be 'transmitted' back to HQ. Until a new edit system is finalized they will have to be ingested into Avid Unity like an SX tape, or if we are lucky file transferd from a USB drive.

[wheelz]

One thing for sure you didnt get squared eyes from to much reading/research

[laurie]

I think from memory Ch10 did do one series in HD parts of it can be seen as the HD demo loop on SC10

cheers laurie

[squared_eyes]

I think you need to learn a little more about digital broadcasting before you start shooting off your mouth squared eyes.. Your making yourself look like an uninformed idiot.

1. Because you have your Toshy box set to "AUTO" the box is stating what is being sent out eg: HD. But just because the box says it is HD doesn't make it so. 10's HD channel runs at 1080i at all times, but not all programs are in true HD, SD programs are up-converted from their native SD format to a HD stream, but the quality is average, kind of like polishing a turd. So your box is just misinforming you about the actual program definition, it's only telling you what it is being fed.

2. 7 didn't pay 15 or 70 million, all up they paid close to 120million for the rights. Seven do not do the actual broadcast work, they just retrasmit what they are provided by AVESCO, much like the F1 and channel 10.

Get some sleep, those square eyes must be causing you trouble.

Thanks, consider the 'fool' now informed.

Still doesn't explain why the PQ on ch7 is so sh!t and when on ch10 it was far better??

Even recordings on my Toppy 5000 (cause the 7000 will never arrive) are better in PQ than what ch7 were transmitting 'live'?

You can't even make out the 7 logos on their shirts it so damn fuzy?

If they paid that much for the rights of something surely they would invest in the latest tech cams to drag it into this century??

[dvduser]

Thanks, consider the 'fool' now informed.

Still doesn't explain why the PQ on ch7 is so sh!t and when on ch10 it was far better??

Even recordings on my Toppy 5000 (cause the 7000 will never arrive) are better in PQ than what ch7 were transmitting 'live'?

You can't even make out the 7 logos on their shirts it so damn fuzy?

If they paid that much for the rights of something surely they would invest in the latest tech cams to drag it into this century??

I think you either need to: - [1] have your eyes checked, [2] get a better TV, [3] calibrate your video, [4] all of the above

because

I recorded the whole 5+hrs on the 5390 and IMHO the pq was no worse than 10, in some cases it actually looked better, especially the in-car stuff that was clearer than 10 did last year.

[nis200979]

I'm not sure how you think the pictures are going to be 'transmitted' back to HQ. Until a new edit system is finalized they will have to be ingested into Avid Unity like an SX tape, or if we are lucky file transferd from a USB drive.

One of the advanatages of the system is that access any to broadband means quick transferof raw footage fact to editing studios.

The new editing system is something they plan to implement at the same time according to whom I spoke to. Obviously they will still offer older analogue inputs, but the preferred input source will be digital files, namely SD cards and MPEG files.

[djOS]

Still doesn't explain why the PQ on ch7 is so sh!t and when on ch10 it was far better??

I suggest some new glasses mate, the quality was a noticeable improvement over the low bitrate rubbish 10 served up at most events last year.

There was noticeably more detail and a lot fewer compression artifacts which tells me that 7 are using a higher bitrate link from the event to their main distribution network than what 10 had been.

Even recordings on my Toppy 5000 (cause the 7000 will never arrive) are better in PQ than what ch7 were transmitting 'live'?

You can't even make out the 7 logos on their shirts it so damn fuzy?

If they paid that much for the rights of something surely they would invest in the latest tech cams to drag it into this century??

HUH? I watched it time-shifted on my Toppy 5000 connected to my 42" plasma (RGB -> SRTO2 Component -> HDMI via my AVR) and the only the pit camera's exhibited any loss of detail but this is normal as these cameras send out a composite signal via microwave (if i remember correctly).

If the entire broadcast looked fuzzy then maybe you should hook up your Toppy using at least S-Video as it sounds like you are using composite?

[freighttrain]

I suggest some new glasses mate, the quality was a noticeable improvement over the low bitrate rubbish 10 served up at most events last year.

There was noticeably more detail and a lot fewer compression artifacts which tells me that 7 are using a higher bitrate link from the event to their main distribution network than what 10 had been.

HUH? I watched it time-shifted on my Toppy 5000 connected to my 42" plasma (RGB -> SRTO2 Component -> HDMI via my AVR) and the only the pit camera's exhibited any loss of detail but this is normal as these cameras send out a composite signal via microwave (if i remember correctly).

If the entire broadcast looked fuzzy then maybe you should hook up your Toppy using at least S-Video as it sounds like you are using composite?

i was viewing the broadcast through componet but it will be interesting when i go to a full hdmi setup to watch this year series

[SimonB1503560073]

Even recordings on my Toppy 5000 (cause the 7000 will never arrive) ....

Ummm, not looking good for you, is it squared_eyes? I held a Toppy 7000Pvrt in my own not so little hands yesterday

Simon....

[wheelz]

Ummm, not looking good for you, is it squared_eyes? I held a Toppy 7000Pvrt in my own not so little hands yesterday

Simon....

just to help you out squared eyes heres some reviews from members who have the "7000 that will never arrive"

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=46558

[hypnotoad8128]

I think you either need to: - [1] have your eyes checked, [2] get a better TV, [3] calibrate your video, [4] all of the above

because

I recorded the whole 5+hrs on the 5390 and IMHO the pq was no worse than 10, in some cases it actually looked better, especially the in-car stuff that was clearer than 10 did last year.

Agreed, the SD PQ is very good here in Melbourne. Seven have turned off the HD channel and upped the SD bitrate, looks as good if not better than channel 10's PQ.

[boric]

It's starting to look like this thread belongs in the Games Consoles, HD-DVD & Blu-ray sub forum.

[djOS]

It's starting to look like this thread belongs in the Games Consoles, HD-DVD & Blu-ray sub forum.

Sad but true! :ph34r:

[nis200979]

ZOMG WTF Squared_eyes!!!?!!?111111eleventy

Get some ROFLCOPTER on your ass.

- There has never been 1080i or any HD sport broadcast for a season in Oz, ever. It starts this year, later in 2007.

- Have you even heard of upconversion? Triplecasting? And how it works?

- SBS is showing 1080i???!!!! H3LL0 LOLZ!!!! ROFLMAOZ!

- And WTF is 760p!!! It doesn't E><1$T~!!!!! HAHA N00b!!!!

- And OMG PAL!!! No, 576i <> PAL. Have you heard of chroma crawl or widescreen?

Sorry, to translate for you: (|-|R0/\/\@ (R4\/\/L and \/\/1D35(R33|\|

Hey I'm no fan of Seven but maybe =you= should be reported to the ****ing Joke Dept.

While you're there you can report me to the Newbie Hazing Dept.

CK.

Sometimes the people who think they know everything are the most disliked. Just an observation.

To all those newbies, keep posting...

[Hosko]

I'm not sure how you think the pictures are going to be 'transmitted' back to HQ. Until a new edit system is finalized they will have to be ingested into Avid Unity like an SX tape, or if we are lucky file transferd from a USB drive.

USB drive WTF, its a little unclear what you are talking about. If your talking about how do they get HD vision that is being sent live from an OB into the unity, they could use Avid AirSpeeds, like one of their inner city neighbours in Sydney. If your talking how they will get archive footage from the the OB back into the untiy, they could use EVS Xfile and just do a data transfer with the removeable drive, like what every other FTA and Subscription sports channel does in this country.

[waveformkid]

The OB company supplying all the equipment for the SEVEN is GLOBAL. It is EXACTLY the same truck as they have used for the last 4 seasons. Same cameras, same tape machines (EVS XT, LSM ETC), same vision mixer, all the same. Therefore if you want to compare it to 10 last year, the only place to look it the transmission path.

[GaryCook]

Personally I wasn't happy with the picture and audio quality that Ch7 broadcast in Sydney. To my eyes it was noticeably inferior to MOST of Ch10's broadcasts last year. Some of Ch10's broadcasts last year were not as good as others, NZ for one, was below average. I assume that it had something to do with some of the equipment used in those locations. But in general, Ch7's broadcast over the weekend was noticeably inferior to my eyes.

The actual production was pretty much the same good quality as Ch10's, as was to be expected with most of the same personnel involved. Since the trackside equipment was also mostly the same, the blame (for the inferior P & AQ) can only be placed on the Ch7 broadcast in Sydney.

I did sporadically watch the Ch7 analogue via Foxtel (IQ cable) and the P & AQ was not noticeably worse. So my eyes certainly do not agree with the comments that Ch7 upped the bit rate on the SD broadcast. This was most definitely NOT the case last year, where I could easily distinguish the Ch10 digital broadcast and the Ch10 analogue via Foxtel.

In summary, good trackside work and good production, let down by CRAP broadcast quality.

Note to advertisers, endlessly repeating the same advert for 4 hours TURNS PEOPLE OFF your product. So I will NEVER EVER buy Castrol Magnatec (hope you are listening Castrol marketing department).

cheers

[laurie]

Note to advertisers, endlessly repeating the same advert for 4 hours TURNS PEOPLE OFF your product. So I will NEVER EVER buy Castrol Magnatec (hope you are listening Castrol marketing department).

cheers

Well they actually achieved what they wanted.... you remembered their product but yes I'm with you on this one its truly a big turn off

cheers laurie

[MotoSEnokiA]

The OB company supplying all the equipment for the SEVEN is GLOBAL. It is EXACTLY the same truck as they have used for the last 4 seasons. Same cameras, same tape machines (EVS XT, LSM ETC), same vision mixer, all the same. Therefore if you want to compare it to 10 last year, the only place to look it the transmission path.

I wonder will they use their recently acquired Sony HDC1500 HD cameras on the V8 coverage?

[squared_eyes]

Personally I wasn't happy with the picture and audio quality that Ch7 broadcast in Sydney. To my eyes it was noticeably inferior to MOST of Ch10's broadcasts last year. Some of Ch10's broadcasts last year were not as good as others, NZ for one, was below average. I assume that it had something to do with some of the equipment used in those locations. But in general, Ch7's broadcast over the weekend was noticeably inferior to my eyes.

The actual production was pretty much the same good quality as Ch10's, as was to be expected with most of the same personnel involved. Since the trackside equipment was also mostly the same, the blame (for the inferior P & AQ) can only be placed on the Ch7 broadcast in Sydney.

I did sporadically watch the Ch7 analogue via Foxtel (IQ cable) and the P & AQ was not noticeably worse. So my eyes certainly do not agree with the comments that Ch7 upped the bit rate on the SD broadcast. This was most definitely NOT the case last year, where I could easily distinguish the Ch10 digital broadcast and the Ch10 analogue via Foxtel.

In summary, good trackside work and good production, let down by CRAP broadcast quality.

Note to advertisers, endlessly repeating the same advert for 4 hours TURNS PEOPLE OFF your product. So I will NEVER EVER buy Castrol Magnatec (hope you are listening Castrol marketing department).

cheers

Thanks Gary,

I wouldn't have bothered venting on here if I thought I was 'seeing things', or 'my eyes were tired' or 'covered in froth'...A little bit of knowledge in small heads causes quite a kerfuffle in this tiny little speck of cyberspace.

I know what I saw, I know it was not as good as last year, PQ + commentators + ad count = 2nd rate crap. I use the best gear I can get, a Sony 38 inch HD CRT 106kg beauty (bought it for $2200 RRP $6000 fools and their LCD/Plasma rubbish) have read this is the best set Sony made, a Toshiba HD S25 STB, Yamaha AV amp all connected with Belkin Pure-AV cables (sister works for Belkin in Gosford got mountains of free cables as NOS) A dedicated new antenna to the back via a Belkin power surge/conditioner board, no hum in the Sub now. I have line of site of Centre Point Tower and Gore Hill my reception is perfect, I believe my setup is above average and I believe ch7 are selling us a dud....

[ckent]

Sometimes the people who think they know everything are the most disliked. Just an observation.

I'd hate to criticise someone for missing my sarcasm, and by doing so miss theirs.

So with that disclaimer, are there any statements being alleged as wrong here?

If not, and no points are under dispute, then is there really a claim that I believe to know everything?

Then if so, disabuse yourself of that idea. I'm here to learn more, so let's start with

some corrections in facts, not corrections in other people's (supposed) state of mind.

If something false is stated, it's far more useful to lay out the truth and argue for it,

than to attack the person who is mistaken (and not provide anything to back it up,

other than the threat of peer pressure).

This is, after all, a forum for group self-support. That means, necessarily, facts are

going to be given by those who know to those who don't.

And if those who do, keep them to themselves ... well shame on them? But then

I'd be passing judgement on their attitude. But there may be no point lurking here,

or just no benefit to anyone else.

To all those newbies, keep posting...

Just in polite English, please. My first post on this forum was able to review

Sony's HDTV with readable language, and I think it's reasonable for all newbies

to do as the Romans do when visiting Rome for the first time.

And if you disagree — say so, and why.

CK.

[Hosko]

I have to agree there are some newbies that get a little bit of info in their head and think they know everything about broadcast TV. I still find it amusing the amount of people that look at me strangly when you mention the video tape is still used in TV stations. "But can't you guys afford DVD's??" I'm not even going to mention server technology because it just gets too funny.

[squared_eyes]

I have to agree there are some newbies that get a little bit of info in their head and think they know everything about broadcast TV. I still find it amusing the amount of people that look at me strangly when you mention the video tape is still used in TV stations. "But can't you guys afford DVD's??" I'm not even going to mention server technology because it just gets too funny.

It was the 'we know it all and you don't' group I was referring to with the small heads filled with a bit of knowledge....not us n00bs. Jokes like CKent and their 50 types of hieroglyphics and the in ability to distinguish a PC keyboard from a GSM mobile with a 160 character limit make me cry with their pathetic need to be soo 'bleeding edge' in every thing they use, even foreign languages!!

[waveformkid]

I wonder will they use their recently acquired Sony HDC1500 HD cameras on the V8 coverage?

No, because it is DP1 and those in the know, know that DP1 is SD. They will continue to use SONY 500 series until someone decides to do V8's in HD.

[Hosko]

It was the 'we know it all and you don't' group I was referring to with the small heads filled with a bit of knowledge....not us n00bs.

Perhaps you n00bs should do a little reading before you go off on rants like:

CH7 are a farce, a joke and should be reported...I am suffering through a blurry grainny fuzzy 'LIVE ALL DAY' broadcast of the 2007 season opener of the V8 Super Cars LIVE from Adelaide and it's in bloody SD broadcasting???????????....I can't belive it, they turn off the stupid HD TV loop and my picture coughs as it changes from HD to bloody SD and then it looks like crap...why ch7 why why why...

If channel 7 doesn't shut down the HD service when sport is on then both streams will look like crap because there encoders can't handle fast action, perhaps a little research and you would come across the tennis thread which discussed this in detail. It gets a little tedious going over the same thing over and over again.