New Samsung 1080p Models?

[hotwrc]

Hi All,

Samsung showed the following models at CES in January. (http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp)

Main Specifications Model: # LNT4065F/LNT4665F/LNT5265F

Resolution: 1920x1080

Contrast Ratio: 12,000:1 (Dynamic Contrast)

Brightness: 550cd/m2

Color Gamut: 92%

Viewing Angle: 178-degrees

Connectivity: 3 HDMI1.3, HDMI-CEC, USB 2.0

Anyone with some inside news as to when they will be released here in Australia?

[HoffY]

No inside news, but if its anything like anything else you can guess and say in 3 years time. >

[kings]

No inside news, but if its anything like anything else you can guess and say in 3 years time. >

Spoke to a bloke at LG Aus today- Jurgen- said that the new models were due out in April- said different model names will be used but the specs, 12000:1 contrast ratio etc- would be the same as the above posts ( LNT4665F..).

[jakes]

Spoke to a bloke at LG Aus today-

Why would somebody at LG know when Samsung are releasing new panels?

[IndyJnr]

The new 1080p samsung is in the harvey norman catalog I received last night wait it could of been the JB one for $ 3300 for the 40 inch.

[Dandroid]

The new models are now shipping in the US I think. They've been added to the US website. On the UK website in the LCD TV section they've got a little 'coming soon' picture of the new models. Though there's not yet anything about them on the Australian website.

Last year (AFAIK) we got the new R series virtually at the same time as the equivalent US models came out. So I'd say April sounds about right.

All the new LCD models can be found on the 6 pages here (the ones labeled as "new"). Most of these models (with different model numbers and some varying specs) should hit our shores in the near future.

By the way, I have no inside knowledge or industry contacts or the like. This is just what I've learned from digging around on the internets a bit.

[RabidWolve]

If its got HDMI 1.3 and a built in tuner (which should have been in the model released late last year) it shall be mine for some Blu-Ray lovin.

The Panasonic TX-600A will move downstairs.

[cazzy]

I've gotta say...the 40" 1080p model looks HOT (LN-T4066F)

Is there some piece of glass running along the bottom of it?

Looks good...

[etclam]

I've gotta say...the 40" 1080p model looks HOT (LN-T4066F)

Is there some piece of glass running along the bottom of it?

Looks good...

I was thinking about the F series, but if the new one is out for a few hundred more I am willing to wait.

[kings]

Why would somebody at LG know when Samsung are releasing new panels?

sorry mate- meant samsung- (I'm buying an LG washing machine & was chasing price on those as well!)

[PanaSung]

Hi All,

Main Specifications Model: # LNT4065F/LNT4665F/LNT5265F

Resolution: 1920x1080

Contrast Ratio: 12,000:1 (Dynamic Contrast)

Brightness: 550cd/m2

Color Gamut: 92%

Awesome specs.....can't wait to see how it handles 1080 and 720.

[mybrains]

does it come with free clouding? I hear thats a great new feature sony & Samsung have been chucking in lately....

[Sharka]

so is the RRP of the 40" going to be around $3300?

If thats so! we could prob get a 40" 1080P display for $3000 or even lower with abit of bargaining!

wow!

The best price I can currently get on the 40" X series is $3740...

[Owen]

Don’t get blinded by specs, they are very deceptive.

Even if the contrast ratio spec is to be believed (only a fool would do so), its actually not that good in real terms.

If the display is delivering 550cd/m2 peak brightness, the black level is going to be 12,000 times lower at 0.045cd/m2, which is quite poor and a long way from being black.

To get a reasonable black level with that brightness would require a contrast ratio of 24,000:1 or better.

Even then blacks will be grey in a dim environment and very grey in a dark environment.

The other thing to note is that the real contrast ratio of the panel without dynamic backlight assistance is only around 1500:1, and the heavy use of dynamic backlighting to achieve the 12,000:1 figure will have negative side affects.

Remember, you will need to sit very close to a 40” screen to get much advantage out of 1080p over 768p.

[Sharka]

lol I think you mean 720P mate.

besides the point, I thought 40" and above was when you could start to see the difference of 1080P vs 720P.

[jakes]

lol I think you mean 720P mate.

No, he meant 768p. Most LCD displays have a resolution of 1366x768, not 1280x720, so they're actually 768p devices.

besides the point, I thought 40" and above was when you could start to see the difference of 1080P vs 720P.

No, this is also not entirely true. See the sticky in this forum for the viewing distance calculator, which will show you the disatance you need to sit from your screen to get the benefit of 1080p on a 40" screen. I think you'll find that it's extremely close. From normal viewing distances most people couldn't tell the difference between a1080p or 720/768p screen.

[PanaSung]

The other thing to note is that the real contrast ratio of the panel without dynamic backlight assistance is only around 1500:1, and the heavy use of dynamic backlighting to achieve the 12,000:1 figure will have negative side affects.

Remember, you will need to sit very close to a 40” screen to get much advantage out of 1080p over 768p.

I was under the impression that Samsung was releasing 1080 TV's with 2500:1 native contrast ratio's, up from the typical 1000-1200 of this gen.

I watched the Anthony Mundine fight on a 40in Samsung LCD via Foxtel, and whilst I thought the PQ was altogether bullshit, it improved dramatically on the movie channels......unfortunately I wasn't able to view HD on this TV.

There was no ghosting/motion blur on the boxing.....it looked no different to my CRT's in that regard.

I realise that you're anti-LCD, and I can't say I blame you in most cases, however, I think that

most people will like the HD output from these 07 LCD TV's, if not, there's always the new Plasma's and 3LCD's.

I would be reluctant to feed large HD LCD's any SD material, and I've always said that Plasma's are the best TV's{but they might not be the most versatile}.......I think feeding a 1080 LCD a SD source{especially Foxtel} will be a horrifying experience.

[Owen]

I was under the impression that Samsung was releasing 1080 TV's with 2500:1 native contrast ratio's, up from the typical 1000-1200 of this gen.

1500:1, 2500:1 not much difference really, they are both pathetic, especially considering the high brightness of LCD's.

If the new 2500:1 screens are brighter then the older models, the black levels will be much the same, which means nothing useful has been achieved.

I realise that you're anti-LCD, and I can't say I blame you in most cases, however, I think that most people will like the HD output from these 07 LCD TV's, if not, there's always the new Plasma's and 3LCD's.

Most people where happy with last years LCD’s, but all that proves is that people just don’t care about picture quality or that they like the over bright, artificially sharp look of LCD’s. No accounting for taste I suppose.

I would be reluctant to feed large HD LCD's any SD material, and I've always said that Plasma's are the best TV's{but they might not be the most versatile}.......I think feeding a 1080 LCD a SD source{especially Foxtel} will be a horrifying experience.

No reason why 1080 LCD’s will be worse then lower res models with SD source.

The high res units tend to look less digital, which is an advantage.

LCD’s in general are not kind to poor quality source, no matter what their resolution, which is undoubtedly a disadvantage.

The problem is that if you want a small TV, you can have anything you like as long as its an LCD.

As for Plasma’s being the best TV’s, I cant agree with that.

The better Plasma’s are almost always preferable to LCD’s as far as picture quality is concerned, but they have issues of there own, such as inadequate black levels.

In the smaller sizes (40”-50”) Plasma’s are the best option for picture quality IMHO, but in larger sizes, they are blown away by the Sony SXRD’s, which are without peer at this point in time.

[keiron]

Hi All,

Samsung showed the following models at CES in January. (http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp)

Main Specifications Model: # LNT4065F/LNT4665F/LNT5265F

Resolution: 1920x1080

Contrast Ratio: 12,000:1 (Dynamic Contrast)

Brightness: 550cd/m2

Color Gamut: 92%

Viewing Angle: 178-degrees

Connectivity: 3 HDMI1.3, HDMI-CEC, USB 2.0

Anyone with some inside news as to when they will be released here in Australia?

Whats the delay time? Any improvement on 8ms?? Is LCD still second rate to Plasma???

[PanaSung]

As for Plasma’s being the best TV’s, I cant agree with that.

The better Plasma’s are almost always preferable to LCD’s as far as picture quality is concerned, but they have issues of there own, such as inadequate black levels.

In the smaller sizes (40”-50”) Plasma’s are the best option for picture quality IMHO, but in larger sizes, they are blown away by the Sony SXRD’s, which are without peer at this point in time.

I should mention that when I say Plasma's are the best TV, I factor in size as well...in that a 50in TV is HUGE!!!, and look much bigger in people's houses than in the showrooms, so anything larger than 50 is really a different animal.

I don't have a problem with what you've said, other than to ask have you seen Blueray on the 65in 1080 Plasma's, and what was your opinion of it's PQ compared to the SXRD?

[LennyD]

Hi All,

Samsung showed the following models at CES in January. (http://www.cesweb.org/default.asp)

Main Specifications Model: # LNT4065F/LNT4665F/LNT5265F

Resolution: 1920x1080

Contrast Ratio: 12,000:1 (Dynamic Contrast)

Brightness: 550cd/m2

Color Gamut: 92%

Viewing Angle: 178-degrees

Connectivity: 3 HDMI1.3, HDMI-CEC, USB 2.0

Anyone with some inside news as to when they will be released here in Australia?

Bing Lee Burwood randg the Samsung rep for me and was old that the new TVs will be out in May.

The specs won't be the same as the US model ones or the TV announced at CES 2007. Australian market TVs tend to follow the Asian market specs - but it will be 1080P with inbuilt tuner...

[Owen]

I should mention that when I say Plasma's are the best TV, I factor in size as well...in that a 50in TV is HUGE!!!, and look much bigger in people's houses than in the showrooms, so anything larger than 50 is really a different animal.

I don't have a problem with what you've said, other than to ask have you seen Blueray on the 65in 1080 Plasma's, and what was your opinion of it's PQ compared to the SXRD?

Once you have lived with a 50” for a while you won’t think it is big.

Most people who own a 50” would buy a larger model next time if money was not an issue.

I have gone from a 43” to a 57” to a 70” in a small room with a 3 meter viewing distance and no way is the 70” too big, even for Austar.

Yes I have seen the 65” Panasonic and the 70” SXRD side by side displaying 1080 video from the exact same Panasonic BluRay player over HDMI.

There is not much in it for picture quality, but each has its own flavour so to speak.

Without going into a lengthy discussion, the SXRD suffers from a little SSE (Silk Screen Effect) and the Plasma is let down by very ordinary black level.

I can live with a little SSE but no way I could tolerate the poor blacks of the Plasma.

The extra 5” of the SXRD was also a significant advantage.

On that day I decided to buy the SXRD.

Even though the blacks on the SXRD are vastly better then the Plasma, they still leave a lot to be desired as far as I am concerned. That is why I am in the process of modifying my SXRD to improve black level.

I knew it was possible to mod the SXRD in this way before I purchased, and I also knew that there was nothing that could be done to fix the Plasma.

The decision on which to purchase was therefore easy.

[bjanssen]

Hi Owen,

I have recently gone to have a look at the SXRD screens, primarily because of the comments you have been making!

I agree that the black levels were much better, what I don't see mentioned anywhere is that the viewing angle seems to be appalling? I had to pretty much put my head directly in line with the centre of the screen to get a decent picture! Is this the case with all rear projections or was something not configured correctly?

This seems like an absolute deal breaker to me, as I often have lots of people over and some people will always have a bit of an angle on the TV.

Also, do the SXRD's allow 1:1 pixel mapping from a PC with DVI-out? (Woops, just saw your massive thread, no they don't, question answered! )

Interested in your comments on this. BJ

[Owen]

Viewing angle is only a problem in bright lighting.

In a normal home viewing environment its not an issue.

I can view from over 50 degrees off axis with no problem at all, although I can’t imagine actually watch anything from there.

The SXRD does 1920x1080p 1:1 mapped via HDMI-DVI and 1920x1080i via Component, both with 2% overscan.

The VGA (PC) port does NOT support 1080p 1:1.

[liveonimpulse]

Viewing angle is only a problem in bright lighting.

In a normal home viewing environment its not an issue.

I can view from over 50 degrees off axis with no problem at all, and I can’t imagine actually watch anything from there.

The SXRD does 1920x1080p 1:1 mapped via HDMI-DVI and 1920x1080i via Component, both with 2% overscan.

The VGA (PC) port does NOT support 1080p 1:1.

Hmm that might be true in your case owen, but i think when there are many people watching at a distance of less than 3 metres, viewing angle will be much greater than 50. In my living room there is upto 75 degree viewing angles, if i watch tv from my kitchen . However as some one mentioned earlier i also went and checked the SXRD's based on your posts, and decided while they were amazingly priced for size compared to my 46 X bravia ( which was tad under 5 grand) , they probably wouldnt make it into my current living room, just due to this viewing angle aberration.