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Sorry for giving people a hard time for a while, but after viewing all sorts of TV's at WOW in Brisbane, I can now say without doubt that LCD, Plasma and DLP are light-years ahead of CRT....in fact, the CRT's at WOW looked stupid and tiny in comparison.....I must admit though, this was the first time an electrical store had the TV's properly displayed IMO.

I didn't see one "bad" picture, nor did I see even the slightest hint of ghosting/trailing/motion blur on any of the TV's......and none of the TV's had any problems handling blacks as far as I could see.

WOW had an awesome display at their Underwood store, including the king of TV's, the 65in Panasonic Plasma, which was showing the Fantastic 4 in Bray*......trouble is, it was still $18 000.

Here's some general thoughts after having stood about for 45 minutes looking at heaps of TV's....

1...all TV's looked awesome, even though the dickheads were only showing DVD's* and channel 7 digital.

2...forget about anything less than 80cm for the bedroom or loungeroom, unless you're desperate for space.

3...both 40in LCD's and 42in SD Plasma's had excellent PQ via DVD playback, although Plasma slightly better.

4...none of the HD Plasma's looked as good as a SD Plasma for DVD.

5...the most amazing TV there was a 56in LG DLP TV{It was very big}....but it was the one TV that really had the WOW factor, the only other TV that could compare was the 65in Plasma{18k}.....the DLP was $1999....unbelievable really.

The DLP was playing "the Incredibles" on a LG DVD player via component{I looked at the back of the TV}, and the PQ was awesome and the viewing experience was to die for.

6...pity there wasn't much HD stuff on display, other than the 65inPlasma......also, 42in Plasma aren't that big, so if you're going to buy a Plasma for the lounge, think hard before buying any 40-42in......but then, once you've seen the 56in DLP in action, it makes everything else look small and pointless for the lounge.

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Valiant effort in starting a new flame war.

Pros: You made sure to insert the SD vs. HD argument into the post (e.g. "none of the HD Plasma's looked as good as a SD Plasma for DVD"). Score extra points for that.

Cons: While still full of unsubstantiated advice and an artful ignorance of facts, it doesn't have the same sort of panache your previous trolling posts had.

So all up on a trolling scale of 1 to 10, 1 being lowest, 10 being highest, I give this post a 6

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Pros: You made sure to insert the SD vs. HD argument into the post (e.g. "none of the HD Plasma's looked as good as a SD Plasma for DVD").

I mentioned this to the salesman, and he said you need to stand back, IOW, he agreed with my direct comment that "none of the 50's look as good as the 42's for PQ"{DVD playback......it was a JLO music video}.

Obviously the HD sets would look better with HD pumping thru them....but they "all" looked slightly grainy when playing SD DVD.

I was most impressed with the PQ of SD plasma's, but with the price being what it is, you'd have to at least get a 10x7, if not the newer 1368x768 Panasonic 42in HDTV........however, if you were strapped for cash, you'd still get a great TV even if SD.

I need to take a DVD down and pop it into a DLP 56-61incher, cause they were superb with PQ and viewing experience.

And to my amazement, the 56 only weighs 35kg...nice!

Nothing's stopping any Brisbanite from waltzing into WOW's Underwood store and having a look at the 6-8 42 and 50inch plasma's they've got hanging up on a wall......they can also view the 56 DLP TV....they can then report back here.

By and large Mr Immortal, we no longer have any dispute, unless you want to stir one up.....and then, the only reason you'd want to do that would be because I've damaged you emotionally.

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And to my amazement, the 56 only weighs 35kg...nice!

When a 56" (RP or whatever) TV weighs less than my Dad's still operational top loading Sony BETA recorder it makes me worried, not impressed, with the quality.

PS, whenare you working at WOW next PanaSung? You seem like a fantastic ambassador for the store - you either get spivs for everyone that mentions your name, or actually work at the store and want to sell off all your old stock before it's worth nothing.

Great post though, although you should've put in a few more anti Pioneer, Panasonic and Sony comments. Highly commendable is the pro SD argument. I would've thrown in an anti SED, Laser and OLED discussion just to widen the appeal of the flame.

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What is your opinion of a normal DVD on a DLP then...?

Not to get involved in a Flame War.

Only seen DVD on DLP in a showroom usually with the colour set way to vivid for my tastes so not really able to make valid comment.

I don't suffer Rainbow effect though from DLP at least I don't think so.

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Here's some general thoughts after having stood about for 45 minutes looking at heaps of TV's....

5...the most amazing TV there was a 56in LG DLP TV{It was very big}....but it was the one TV that really had the WOW factor, the only other TV that could compare was the 65in Plasma{18k}.....the DLP was $1999....unbelievable really.

The DLP was playing "the Incredibles" on a LG DVD player via component{I looked at the back of the TV}, and the PQ was awesome and the viewing experience was to die for.

A 56inch DLP from LG playing animation is hardly a direct comparison to all the other panels displaying FTA?

Gosh, I have many times seen this projection TV displaying FTA an in my opinion it really displayed picture quality relating to this panels low price, you only get what you pay for.

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SXRD > CRT > LCD and Plasma

Since the SXRD is out of my price range, my only choice is CRT.

Hehe...Samsung incur my wrath tommorow. Wish me luck boys and girls! :blink:

I'm sorry but you're making the same mistake I made, ie, you're judging TV's strictly by raw PQ.

The reason you must factor in size and overall viewing experience is because it's so pronounced....and to boot, the 56in LG had a built in HD tuner, all for $1999.......actually I prefer the 56in Samsung DLP, as it's much brighter and also has superior asthetics IMO.

Having said that, the PQ of the SD Plasma's was superb via DVD.

I prefer LCD's as I think they're more versatile, but if you just want to watch DVD's and Foxtel, I think people will love the new model Plasma's for PQ, the trouble is it seems to be the SD plasma that's the best for SDTV, and it prolly doesn't make sense to buy a SDTV anymore.....a 10x7 42in Plasma would be a better overall package as HDTV would work much better on it.

The beauty of the WOW showroom in Underwood is that it had about 12 TV's all playing the same thing, so it's worth having a look if you're in the area.

A 56inch DLP from LG playing animation is hardly a direct comparison to all the other panels displaying FTA?

Gosh, I have many times seen this projection TV displaying FTA an in my opinion it really displayed picture quality relating to this panels low price, you only get what you pay for.

PQ by itself is irrelevant, it's overall viewing experience that counts, and the specs of a Samsung DLP are very good, ie, brightness, contrast and resolution......granted I've not seen it "live", but the LG 56 makes 42inch TV's look small and boxy.

PQ champ at the moment is Plasma, but I think the new range of 1080 LCD's will take the reign, at least with 720p/1080 sources anyway.

When a 56" (RP or whatever) TV weighs less than my Dad's still operational top loading Sony BETA recorder it makes me worried, not impressed, with the quality.

PS, whenare you working at WOW next PanaSung? You seem like a fantastic ambassador for the store - you either get spivs for everyone that mentions your name, or actually work at the store and want to sell off all your old stock before it's worth nothing.

Great post though, although you should've put in a few more anti Pioneer, Panasonic and Sony comments. Highly commendable is the pro SD argument. I would've thrown in an anti SED, Laser and OLED discussion just to widen the appeal of the flame.

FYI nutter, I don't work for any electrical store, I'm just stating my opinion.

I have an interest in HDTV and all that jazz as I own a sizeable music/media forum, and I have thousands of video files and counting.

When watching the Fantastic 4 on the 65in Plasma, you could see that an increase in resolution would make some difference, even though the PQ and viewing experience was second to none for consumer products.....and don't forget, that TV will be $6000 in a few yrs......although it uses as much electricity as aircon, LOL.

Yes Sony are a joke, but, newer higher res HDTV's are most welcome IMO.

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I connect an inexpensive LG dvd player (non upscaling but progressive) via component 576p to my 50" HD Pana and will challenge any SD plasma to match.

You must have poor eyesight, cause the 2 HD models slotted in amongst the SD models looked grainy.....all the SD models looked tight.

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I've got an "HD" plasma and SD FTA and DVD's all look great on it.

Is your WOW spiv $50 per recommendation? and maybe $100 for a [crappy] DLP sale ?

I never said that they didn't look great Uncle Doug, I said that there was a noticeable degree of grain compared to the SD plasma's when all units were displaying the very same DVD.....IOW, I don't think people need to worry that a DVD will be terrible on a good 50in Plasma.....but I was surprised at how good the SD plasma's looked, especially after many members of this forum warned "the whole world" about the horror of the SD plasma's resolution{480 horizontal}.

Having said that, it's hard to recommend anyone buy a SD panel if a HD panel is only a few bob more.

As for the silly comments concerning WOW....the deal is this, I live near the Underwood store, so naturally I'd pop in there......but to their credit, they had 4 sections dedicated to TV's.....so it's a great place to view all the different sizes and technologies.

They probably had 40-50 TV's on display, and I'm giving them props for doing that.

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I was quoted $15k for the 65" Pana yesterday, I am seriously going to buy a Plasma 50" plus for our new home project but won't be purchasing until about October/Nov...so the more they drop in price in that time means I have funds for other nice addons ect..

The 1080p Pioneer (500EX) dropped 5k yesterday as well, you can get that sweet thing for like 10-11k now, in 6 months it might even be cheaper again as Pioneer announced recently that with the impending release of their next gen plasmas, that model (%00EX) will be 'obsolete'. yikes!

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I was quoted $15k for the 65" Pana yesterday, I am seriously going to buy a Plasma 50" plus for our new home project but won't be purchasing until about October/Nov...so the more they drop in price in that time means I have funds for other nice addons ect..

Well, you only live once :blink:

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Well, you only live once :blink:

It's all relative.

Many people buy a quality pool table and hardly use it.

Other guys buy a $25k Ducati or $15k Honda roadbike for Friday night cruising up Lygon Street.

At least a big mutha tv gets used every day, and should give 10+ years of enjoyment.

(Well, until your neighbour/best friend) gets the 100" 3840x2160p 200Hz SEDkiller television and B&O 10.4 channel Home Theatre.

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I would agree with Pana that WOW (A Queensland only Franchise) have fantastic TV display areas. Just as one example, their large DLP sets are displayed in an area with leather lounge suites to sit on so your vertical viewing angle (the achilles heel of DLP) is correct, and they looked fantastic. (Deception Bay Store), and the ambient light is the same as your lounge room in the evening.

That experience alone ALMOST persuaded me to buy a DLP

Contrast this with HN or JB HIFI where the TV areas spill over into the MP3s and laptops areas or the DVD remnant boxes ... All lit like a seven eleven.

OK I eventually did buy from HN but literally had to get down on my knees in the aisle to check the thing out properly.

And with the SD Plasmas .... how many times is it possible to show Finding Nemo without paying a whopping royalty to Disney??? :blink::D

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