Guest JohnA Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 Could be going on sale in about 3 weeks time, so just seeking expression of interest at the moment. It is around 6-7months old and in perfect working order. Unfortunately do not have the original box for it any longer so looking for Melbourne buyers to pick up http://www.osbornloudspeakers.com.au/opera/cyber222.jpg Frequency response: 2Hz-150KHz(-1B) Signal-to-noise ratio: 90dB Distortion: Less than 0.09%(70Hz/7KHz 4:1) Consumption: 40W Input Sources: 4 selectable inputs switched by gold plated relays Input Terminals:Gold plated phono/RCA unbalanced and gold plated XLR balanced Output terminals: Gold plated phono/RCA unbalanced Vacuum tube: 6SN7x4 5AR4x1 Remote Control: RC-5 compatible IR system 36KHz moudulation Dimensions: 8cm x 43cm x32cm (HxWxD) Weight:15Kg looking for $1200
Alfred Smee Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Gotta ask ...... why in this day and age would one want to buy a valve pre-amp? The distortion figures between only 70Hz & 7Khz are specified. What is it like outside that range? Do you mind me asking why you are selling it?
norpus Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Gotta ask ...... why in this day and age would one want to buy a valve pre-amp? The distortion figures between only 70Hz & 7Khz are specified. What is it like outside that range? Do you mind me asking why you are selling it? If I may also attempt these questions from my perspective - having heard this pre in my system previously 1. Why valve - Perhaps taste? There are many ways of getting a warm valve analogue type sound which some people love -a valve pre is just one way. IT does sound good. 2. Dunno - agreed specs on valve systems can be poor, but thats not what we listen to 3. Upgraditis - knowing John, likely to another pre with valves, as that may suit his tastes in his system?
betty boop Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Gotta ask ...... why in this day and age would one want to buy a valve pre-amp? The distortion figures between only 70Hz & 7Khz are specified. What is it like outside that range? Do you mind me asking why you are selling it? some of the best pre-amps are valve. thats not to say that sensational solid state pre-amps as well dont exist. as with anything its best to not let the technology get in the way of your choosing but to let your ears guide you instead. I've heard this particualr valve pre in johns system and does a pretty good job I think. A valve pre or any quality pre for only $1200 is a bargain in my books.
Guest JohnA Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Gotta ask ...... why in this day and age would one want to buy a valve pre-amp? The distortion figures between only 70Hz & 7Khz are specified. What is it like outside that range? Do you mind me asking why you are selling it? I haven't heard any distortion through this preamp. As for the reason i am selling, well its not sent in stone, but i am going to try a different preamp, also valve based, but has to perform better if i am even going to consider it, that is why i only have EOI at the moment and may pull it off sale if the other preamp doesn't outperform this one
Guest JohnA Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 This is definately up for sale now as the new pre-amp has been bought
Alfred Smee Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 If I may also attempt these questions from my perspective - having heard this pre in my system previously1. Why valve - Perhaps taste? There are many ways of getting a warm valve analogue type sound which some people love -a valve pre is just one way. IT does sound good. 2. Dunno - agreed specs on valve systems can be poor, but thats not what we listen to 3. Upgraditis - knowing John, likely to another pre with valves, as that may suit his tastes in his system? 1. That taste you speak of is a preference for the particular harmonic distortion that all valve amps exhibit. That "warm valve analogue type sound" is valve amp distortion. 2. Yes I agree. All valve amps have awful specs under test due to their high level of distortion. Valve amps are akin to rose coloured glasses. The world really isn't that colour but some people prefer it that way. Most people prefer to hear music with as little distortion as possible.
betty boop Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 hmmmm I've only seen alfred's post here since you qoute it nobby. I wonder what amps alfred has demoed and compared against to make the wide sweeping comments he does. also wonder if alfred has demoed or experienced the amp in question to make comments in regards it in what is a for sales thread. then again I remember alfreds posts from what prompted me to put him on ignore so probably should jsut leave it at that. and yeah better tell those musicians to switch of their tube mics too while theyre at it hmmmm....
achjimmy Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 1. That taste you speak of is a preference for the particular harmonic distortion that all valve amps exhibit. That "warm valve analogue type sound" is valve amp distortion. 2. Yes I agree. All valve amps have awful specs under test due to their high level of distortion. Valve amps are akin to rose coloured glasses. The world really isn't that colour but some people prefer it that way. Most people prefer to hear music with as little distortion as possible. Dont know about the specs, and have never owned any valve equipment. But the most involing listening experince i have ever had was with a turntable playing through a Valve amp and large Krix speakers, simply stunning. my 2c jim
Alfred Smee Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 hmmmm better tell all those guitar players to get their foot off the distortion pedals and rip the tubes out of their monitors then! What has that got to do with my post? I am talking about reproducing music accurately with as little distortion as possible. Your post relates to a musical instrument that can sound good when distortion is added. But that doesn't mean that all music sounds better when distortion is introduced! I've only seen alfred's post here since you qoute it nobby. I wonder what amps alfred has demoed and compared against to make the wide sweeping comments he does. also wonder if alfred has demoed or experienced the amp in question to make comments in regards it in what is a for sales thread. then again I remember alfreds posts from what prompted me to put him on ignore so probably should jsut leave it at that. and yeah better tell those musicians to switch of their tube mics too while theyre at it hmmmm.... I've heard my fair share of valve amps. For your edification here are some basic facts about valve amps: 1/ Some audiophiles prefer valve amps. Some but certainly not all. 2/ Bass power, attack and response is always softer with a valve amp. Most people would describe it as sloppy. I find this the most intolerable aspect of all. 3/ High frequency response rolls off rapidly compared to solid state amplifiers. 4/ Valve amps have high levels of even order harmonic distortion. This sounds nice or "warm" to some, but it is far from accurate. 5/ Very expensive for even modest power output. If you disbelieve me just try Google or Wikepedia.
Guest JohnA Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 this is a for sale thread relating to a valve pre amplifier, not a valve power amplifier. This pre was part of a pre shootout we did a while ago and posted up on here. It was up agains another couple of valve pre amps, a passive and a solid state. If anyone is interesting in auditioning it just let me know, let your ears decide and not what people may think of valve vs non vlave pre amps
ozcal Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 What has that got to do with my post? I am talking about reproducing music accurately with as little distortion as possible. Your post relates to a musical instrument that can sound good when distortion is added. But that doesn't mean that all music sounds better when distortion is introduced!I've heard my fair share of valve amps. For your edification here are some basic facts about valve amps: 1/ Some audiophiles prefer valve amps. Some but certainly not all. 2/ Bass power, attack and response is always softer with a valve amp. Most people would describe it as sloppy. I find this the most intolerable aspect of all. 3/ High frequency response rolls off rapidly compared to solid state amplifiers. 4/ Valve amps have high levels of even order harmonic distortion. This sounds nice or "warm" to some, but it is far from accurate. 5/ Very expensive for even modest power output. If you disbelieve me just try Google or Wikepedia. Alfred it is extremeley bad form to post this sort of thing in a FS thread ,a PM to the seller would be more appropriate if you really feel the need to expound your 'wisdom'. Hmm . output power generally is fairly modest on most pre amps!! Gordon
Alfred Smee Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Alfred it is extremeley bad form to post this sort of thing in a FS thread ,a PM to the seller would be more appropriate if you really feel the need to expound your 'wisdom'.Hmm . output power generally is fairly modest on most pre amps!! Gordon Apart from the fact that the post heading does not mention an item for sale I would agree with you. I have not posted anything that is not common knowledge. If someone was genuinely interested in buying this item, my post wouldn't make any difference. Someone wanting a valve preamp is not your typical audio or hi-fi buyer. They desire that "valve sound". On the other hand, I find it extremely odd that people who wouldn't dream of owning a valve amp endorse it so strongly. It smells of jumping onto the audiophile bandwagon to me. Perhaps we should have a separate forum for people selling gear?
ozcal Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Apart from the fact that the post heading does not mention an item for sale I would agree with you.I have not posted anything that is not common knowledge. If someone was genuinely interested in buying this item, my post wouldn't make any difference. Someone wanting a valve preamp is not your typical audio or hi-fi buyer. They desire that "valve sound". On the other hand, I find it extremely odd that people who wouldn't dream of owning a valve amp endorse it so strongly. It smells of jumping onto the audiophile bandwagon to me. Perhaps we should have a separate forum for people selling gear? You are of course entitled to your oppinions however it is imo impolite to express them in the way you have in a FS thread. Gordon
Guest JohnA Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 i will say it one last time this is definately FOR SALE as i posted in an earlier reply (unfortunately i can't edit the hading topic) so IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED and would like to demo it to HEAR for themselves what this pre can do, just send me a PM and can people who are NOT INTERESTED in this PRE stop hijacking this thread
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