Hydrology Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Not so long ago when Jace was active, he challenged me that Kingdom of Heaven couldnt possibly ever see the light of day on HD-DVD, even in Europe. Now I said he had no more info than I had, so I said lets wait and see. I could go and find his post, but I cant be arsed wasting time. However, here is a link to the thread over on AVSForum which mentions how the distribution of some Fox titles ends up in France. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=806136 Now it doesnt give KOH a release date, but its more likely then never eh Jace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Not so long ago when Jace was active, he challenged me that Kingdom of Heaven couldnt possibly ever see the light of day on HD-DVD, even in Europe. Now I said he had no more info than I had, so I said lets wait and see. I could go and find his post, but I cant be arsed wasting time. However, here is a link to the thread over on AVSForum which mentions how the distribution of some Fox titles ends up in France.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=806136 Now it doesnt give KOH a release date, but its more likely then never eh Jace? interesting news I guess I'm going to have more than a few titles with non-english covers in my collection. and here is the post from Jace, for completeness. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 interesting news I guess I'm going to have more than a few titles with non-english covers in my collection. and here is the post from Jace, for completeness. Andrew. That is truely fantastic news, because the simple fact is, this is the only way you will be able to see a high def version of this film if you have bought a local Australian Machine. I am sure many are scratching their heads at this comment, or what ever trolls scratch as they prepare to spout forth that icky substance constantly streaming from their mouths. Well the answer is simple. If you have an Australian HD DVD player, thanks to it's region free status, you can import this version and watch it with zero compatability issues. Now before the obvious, "but I will watch it on my PS3 Blu-ray player", let me tell you why you won't. If you have a Australian player you will not be watching the extended directors cut for two reasons. (1) You cannot import it as it is coded region A (this is confirmed) so will not work in your machines. (2) While Kingdom of Heaven has been released in region B and is likely to have that same release here, it is not the extended cut but the theatrical cut - yep that one that really bit monkey balls. There are no plans to bring the extended cut to this region - period. Aside from a limited exclusive run from EzyDVD, this title received the same treatment in the SD world. The only way to see this title in this region is to import. Which means local BD owners need not apply. Lets here that "we are the winners" cheer again, go on, I know you love saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MELso Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 And of course Crank was distributed by Universal in Europe too (which gives me hope), which leaves only Casino Royale as the only Blu-ray film I want and I can't hang out for a HD-DVD release. I hope that if/when the HD-DVD of KoH does arrive, it's the full SE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeWhoElse Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Don't Fox do the same as Sony on region coding? As I believe region coding is meant to expire after 12months... If it is already available internationally on DVD it is region coded A/B/C otherwise 12month expirey on region coding. Only when a "newer" version of the disc is released can the region coding be further enforced... how this happens... miracles of Blu-ray? <shrugs> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Don't Fox do the same as Sony on region coding? As I believe region coding is meant to expire after 12months...If it is already available internationally on DVD it is region coded A/B/C otherwise 12month expirey on region coding. Only when a "newer" version of the disc is released can the region coding be further enforced... how this happens... miracles of Blu-ray? <shrugs> So far no one has found a single fox title that wasn't region coded. They even region coded old crud like Fantastic Four. You'd think they would want to off load that any way they could As to expiring, once on a title they are not going to remove it unless they do a complete re-release, ie new pressing. Even then, as I said, Fox lock *everything*. interesting news I guess I'm going to have more than a few titles with non-english covers in my collection. and here is the post from Jace, for completeness. Andrew. I have a link to a site at home that does custom covers. Isn't that the thread that pissed Jace of so much he quite the forum on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I have a link to a site at home that does custom covers. I'd be interested in that link Isn't that the thread that pissed Jace of so much he quite the forum on? I didn't know that. Oh well. Edited: JaceDTV Forums Member Member Group: Member Joined: 26-October 04 Active Stats User's local time Feb 16 2007, 05:22 PM Total Cumulative Posts 740 ( 0.9 posts per day / 0.13% of total forum posts ) Most active in Games Consoles, HD-DVD & Blu-ray ( 292 posts / 39% of this member's active posts ) Last Active Today, 02:58 PM Andrew. If it is already available internationally on DVD it is region coded A/B/C otherwise 12month expirey on region coding. Only when a "newer" version of the disc is released can the region coding be further enforced... how this happens... miracles of Blu-ray? I don't know of a single release where any distributor has gone back and spent $50K for a new master just so they could remove region coding. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 I'd be interested in that linkI didn't know that. Oh well. Edited: Andrew. I don't know of a single release where any distributor has gone back and spent $50K for a new master just so they could remove region coding. Andrew. I must confess, I know he still lurks on this forum, I just thought I'd throw him a bone to welcome him back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I must confess, I know he still lurks on this forum, I just thought I'd throw him a bone to welcome him back... I pm'd him the other day to come back but alas no reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 I pm'd him the other day to come back but alas no reply Well no forum member should be made feel any more important than the next one, so leave him be. Its a self proclaimed exodus, he can come back if he feels like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesty Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I pm'd him the other day to come back but alas no reply did you really? wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I thought fox was behind blu-ray all the way.Does anyone have the link on where to buy these products over in europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 I thought fox was behind blu-ray all the way.Does anyone have the link on where to buy these products over in europe. Not yet, but im sure throughout the year they will become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeWhoElse Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 About the requirements of region coding for Blu-Ray from a Sony insider on avsforum A 12 month window is allowed for region coded titles. This means after a title is released with region coding, it cannot be manufactured with region coding after 12 months pass from the first sales. This is something of a nuisance for the studios because they have to provide a new cutting master for re-orders of catalog product. It is also a motivator to avoid using region coding unless it is really beneficial for a particular title (protecting a theatrical window). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MELso Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I will believe they go to the trouble of remastering titles to remove region coding for Blu-ray when I see it. If every region coded title is region free in 12 months, I will be amazed. To my mind, it seems that this is just more propaganda from the Blu-ray camp. Even then, it does not get around problems such as retailers holding old stock and/or multiple versions of the same title (you may get a region coded version after the 12 month window that supposedly exists) and more importantly, I am likely to buy a DVD version in lieu of going and seeing it at a theatre and with Blu-ray I CAN'T WATCH WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT! (Also, cast your mind back to the dawn of DVD when it was promised that region coding would only be used to protect new releases. That didn't stop studios mandating it on 60 year old classics, which still have these DRM infections) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 About the requirements of region coding for Blu-Ray from a Sony insider on avsforumA 12 month window is allowed for region coded titles. This means after a title is released with region coding, it cannot be manufactured with region coding after 12 months pass from the first sales. This is something of a nuisance for the studios because they have to provide a new cutting master for re-orders of catalog product. It is also a motivator to avoid using region coding unless it is really beneficial for a particular title (protecting a theatrical window). In that case can I have a "please explain" since *all* fox titles are currently region coded - and by *all that includes those older than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 In that case can I have a "please explain" since *all* fox titles are currently region coded - and by *all that includes those older than a year. Im also wondering what would happen after the 12 month release window, and you want to order it for your region-limited player? How can you guarantee the vendor (online) will ship you the new version, rather than one already in stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BribieG Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 When they do bring it out, it will be interesting to see if the huge blooper in one of the scenes will be rectified: Shortly after arriving in Jerusalem Orlando mounts a hill to visit the old shrine on sunset. As he kneels silent and meditating, the darkness grows, and from right screen to left, a fast moving set of car headlights ! Almost as good as the Rolex watch in Ben Hur or whatever it was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Im also wondering what would happen after the 12 month release window, and you want to order it for your region-limited player? How can you guarantee the vendor (online) will ship you the new version, rather than one already in stock? you can't. The new verses old release selective region coding garbage was always a pathetic attempt to say "Region coding isn't bad, you don't need no region free HD DVD". Fox for one never had any intention of limiting region coding. Disney likewise will region code the hell out of any property it thinks is profitable. The BDA has no authority to tell studios what it can or cannot region code. Bottom line, you can never be sure a title is safe til they have your money. Nor is region coding an acceptable return excuse, assuming you wanted to go to the trouble and expense. A select list of BD Discs confirmed region locked, older than a year: Behind Enemy Lines - Fox Brothers Grim - Disney Dinosaur - Disney Enemy of the State - Disney/Buena Vista Fantastic Four - Fox Gone in 60 Seconds - Disney Kingdom of Heaven - Fox Kiss of the Dragon - Fox League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - Fox Speed - Fox The Transporter - Fox Speed is over 10 years old now!!!!!! A little outside the window don't you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 you can't. The new verses old release selective region coding garbage was always a pathetic attempt to say "Region coding isn't bad, you don't need no region free HD DVD". Fox for one never had any intention of limiting region coding. Disney likewise will region code the hell out of any property it thinks is profitable. The BDA has no authority to tell studios what it can or cannot region code. Bottom line, you can never be sure a title is safe til they have your money. Nor is region coding an acceptable return excuse, assuming you wanted to go to the trouble and expense.A select list of BD Discs confirmed region locked, older than a year: Behind Enemy Lines - Fox Brothers Grim - Disney Dinosaur - Disney Enemy of the State - Disney/Buena Vista Fantastic Four - Fox Gone in 60 Seconds - Disney Kingdom of Heaven - Fox Kiss of the Dragon - Fox League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - Fox Speed - Fox The Transporter - Fox Speed is over 10 years old now!!!!!! A little outside the window don't you think. Guess the BD region coding bandwagon had nothing to say to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Guess the BD region coding bandwagon had nothing to say to that one. Thats why im getting a blu-ray also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Thats why im getting a blu-ray also! ah but where from? One locally which means not a single movie in that list will work for you, or importing and forgoing the ability to buy titles locally (well you can but some won't work and I'm not sure on the returns policy for incorrect region coding)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeWhoElse Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Region protection on titles 12 months from release (on Blu-ray) momaw... I still think it is done via Blu-ray magic myself... It would explain many an outrageous comment from members of the BDA don't you think? Evil Blu-Magic... perhaps only available in Blu-Lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 ah but where from? One locally which means not a single movie in that list will work for you, or importing and forgoing the ability to buy titles locally (well you can but some won't work and I'm not sure on the returns policy for incorrect region coding)? Hopefully one from Japan, that plays american blu-ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolutezero Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I'm dying to see this again as a directors cut, the original cut felt like it was missing a lot of information that would have helped, instead of just battlescenes. Any new word on when this might be released on HD-DVD and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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