AndrewW Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121866&page=6 A guy called arnezami has worked out the Processing Key Have a read of the thread for details, but apparently this will allow any HD DVD to be decrypted, without the need for player keys etc. I believe they are working on the Blu Ray key right now. The sooner AACS is destroyed completely, the sooner the studios might realise that it is stupid to support Blu Ray based on its supposed stronger DRM, and maybe they might just consider supporting both formats. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 wow, just reading through the rest of the thread, and this same key is confirmed to work for Blu Ray discs as well Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Preacher1973 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 wow, just reading through the rest of the thread, and this same key is confirmed to work for Blu Ray discs as well Andrew. OK. So what does this mean? I take it that as of this moment, because my PC is only running XP and does not have a HDCP compliant video card and display, that the only HD-DVD/BRD material that I can watch is going to be illegally copied/downloaded material? If I download a pirated version it will play. If I buy an original it won't. Way to go fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121866&page=6A guy called arnezami has worked out the Processing Key Same as before, its done entirely by using flawed PC software players. All the industry needs to do is change the keys (heck the entire protection system can be changed if need be), revoke the flawed player (since its PC software, revokation is more or less meaningless, future discs just won't have key blocks that match the flawed software's device keys) and no one can read discs made from this point on. This is just another nail in the coffin of PC playback software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Same as before, its done entirely by using flawed PC software players. All the industry needs to do is change the keys (heck the entire protection system can be changed if need be), revoke the flawed player (since its PC software, revokation is more or less meaningless, future discs just won't have key blocks that match the flawed software's device keys) and no one can read discs made from this point on. This is just another nail in the coffin of PC playback software. if you read further, based on the information that they already have, they can use the knowledge of existing keys to very quickly and easily determine the new keys if a new version is released. its all too complex for me (and I'm a bleeding Software Engineer), but it sounds very promising. Andrew. OK. So what does this mean? It means that I can take the discs that I purchased legally, and play them back on my hardware that the studios have deemed to be 'unsafe' for playback (neither my video card nor monitor are HDCP compliant). I take it that as of this moment, because my PC is only running XP and does not have a HDCP compliant video card and display, that the only HD-DVD/BRD material that I can watch is going to be illegally copied/downloaded material? Nope, as above you can buy the discs legally, rip then to your hard disk and watch the unencrypted versions on your HTPC. If I download a pirated version it will play. If I buy an original it won't.Way to go fellas. Yep, DRM only ever hurts the honest consumer. Pirates will always find a way around any protection. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davep Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Is it a good thing that hacks/cracks have been found so early in the life of both formats? I'm sure studios/manufacturers would prefer they get exposed now (to almost nobody) rather than when either one is dominant over DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 the supposed copy protection of either format is really a joke isnt it. they shoudl know theres nothing stopping hackers. and the fact the likes of captain on here have downloaded off the web full movies shows its a reality ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD1503559705 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I take it that as of this moment, because my PC is only running XP and does not have a HDCP compliant video card and display, that the only HD-DVD/BRD material that I can watch is going to be illegally copied/downloaded material? Not quite: if you are prepared to use VGA output, I believe an XP PC is capable of playing an official HD-DVD using the Xbox360 HD-DVD add-on drive and PowerDVD, even without an HDCP compliant video card. However, I think what works depends on drivers and the type of video card, even if it is not HDCP complian, and is still very much a lottery. I can only verify that it is possible to play HD-DVD material with PowerDVD 6.5 on XP with an ATI X300 and an overclocked E4300 CPU via VGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 if you read further, based on the information that they already have, they can use the knowledge of existing keys to very quickly and easily determine the new keys if a new version is released. Blueray allows the guts of the protection system to be thrown out and a new one put in place if the worst comes to the worst. I'm not sure how far HDDVD goes, but no doubt there is something like that in there too. There may well be an army of hackers hacking away at the formats, but each time they expose a weakness and then make it public info, the industry will learn about it, patch it (or replace it!) and then we go back to a secure system. Sure it'll mean a breach has happened, but each time it happens the system gets more difficult to hack. This is the real advantage of the new HD formats - the content protection system can be updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Blueray allows the guts of the protection system to be thrown out and a new one put in place if the worst comes to the worst. I'm not sure how far HDDVD goes, but no doubt there is something like that in there too.There may well be an army of hackers hacking away at the formats, but each time they expose a weakness and then make it public info, the industry will learn about it, patch it (or replace it!) and then we go back to a secure system. Sure it'll mean a breach has happened, but each time it happens the system gets more difficult to hack. This is the real advantage of the new HD formats - the content protection system can be updated. and quite possibly we are left with coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mello yello Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Ok Im thinking outside the dodeckahedron here but I think the format that will win this war will be the one thats easiest to copy/burn......and left that way initially, deliberately. Enter a big opportunity for one of the formats to "pre-emptively nuke" the other side. It may be risky at first and there is always the danger of fallout from the studios...but even the studios may prefer to take an initial loss to pirates rather than have to support both formats indefinetly. The war could be over as quick as a "Blu Ray declares victory" thread can pop up on a HT forum. What better way to push a new format than to make it appear easy and free to get..and then apply the screws later. Did you know NAPSTER is actually an anagram for ENTRAPS. Scenario...Joe hears you can easily copy HD DVD but not BluRay. Joe buys a computer. Joe buys HD DVD and only wants to rent HD DVD. Joe tells Jake, Jake tells Ralph, Ralph tells Trevor, Trevor arrests Ralph because hes undercover. Video Ezy push HD DVD ..because its a seller. Blu Ray gets stored next to the old Beta movies. Harvey drones spread the word and instantly mark up HD DVD by 75% JB drones wander around helplessly wondering what HD DVD is. Enter a new encryption....."The Terminator" only to be pussie-whipped by a 19 year old from Iowa and the cycle starts again. Its in their interests to allow seemingly illegal activities at first just to hook up new fish customers. When they think there are enough mullett in the pond they put on the squeeze. Enter The Price Creep. :ph34r: What are you going to do? buy Blu Ray?..its gaaawwwnn!!!!...it got nuked out 2 years ago. I think maybe a protracted drawn out competitive war is what will actually keep prices down and as long as one is as good as the other..who cares...its probably half as cheap as it would have been otherwise. Beware of Sony (nameless foreign electronics company) if they appear to be easily decrypted..at first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Personally I think the war (in the states) could be ended even more quickly and easily. Warners, Paramount and Universal should just stop selling SD discs and only sell dual format. The new economies of scales would bring the prices way way down very quickly and the consumers would be left with a pile of HD movies begging to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 and quite possibly we are left with coasters. That comes down to how much memory space any given player has. If the systems had been done sensibly the players could have a new system 'slotted' into place along with the older (but patched) versions. That way both old and new system discs would be playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Who cares! by the original Hd-dvd or blu-ray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Preacher1973 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Who cares! by the original Hd-dvd or blu-ray! Yes, but the originals won't play on my hardware. But downloaded pirated versions will. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Who cares! by the original Hd-dvd or blu-ray! I think you are reading me wrong here. I am not happy that this has occured because it means more HD DVDs that I can download of the web. That this the absolute last thing I want to do. I am more than happy to pay for original discs. I just want the studios to realise that no protection scheme is infallible, and that supporting a format that has more expensive players and more expensive discs merely under the false premise of 'better protection of the content' is crazy. The sooner the Blu Ray only studios realise this and go dual format the better. Of course a nice side effect is that I can take my legally purchased HD DVDs and play them back on my legally purchased computer/display. Cheers, Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bitey Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Good news. I might consider actually buying a HD-DVD drive and some HD-DVD's now :-) (for my HTPC) DRM = NO SALE Cheers, Bitey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It was only a matter of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelz Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 slyfox have released their Beta version of AnyDVD HD if anyone wants to test it. http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=1281 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bitey Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Gotta love those boys theyve always been there for me Cheers, Bitey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nullack1503559755 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 For as long as the x86 architecture remains as it is, it is inherently an open platform and these sorts of exploits will always be available. There is two choices: 1. Not provide players on the PC 2. Mandate an x86 architecture shift to something like the trusted computing architecture None of which in my humble opinion are feasible options. Anyway, this latest hack is just an enhacmenet on an already broken security system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djOS Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 slyfox have released their Beta version of AnyDVD HD if anyone wants to test it.http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=1281 Nice, I only recently discovered AnyDVD and promptly installed it on my MediaCentre PC to free myself from the shackles of DVD Region Coding - It's brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 and now they have found (and published) a player key. The story just keeps getting worse for AACS. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122664 Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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