Specs To Avoid When Choosing An Lcd Tv

[Owen]

What I want....okay then, here it is:

TV Aspects

- Physically, it should be a Widescreen

- Capable of doing 1080i (1080p is not important to me until there is lots of stuff that actually uses it)

- In-built HDTV tuner (not truly needed but will free up a HDMI port)

Connections

- At least one HDMI (for the Playstation 3 and a HD STB if one is not built in)

- At least two Component (one for the Xbox 360, the other for whatever)

- Standard connections (probably wouldnt be used much if at all though)

Uses of the TV

- Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 gaming

- TV watching (digital, of course)

- Movies (DVD/HD/BR)

Now you know. Care to recommend me anything, based on the above information I've just shared?

Since you have not limited yourself to a size or a price I have the answer to your search.

Sony SXDR.

They exceed your stated requirements and simply blow away any CRT that you can buy these days.

They offer the best overall picture quality for size available at any price and offer very fast response time and zero burn in worries for games, as well as the best blacks on a digital TV.

Look no further, start saving.

Of course if you need a smaller or cheaper TV your search continues.

[Owen]

The Sony is not manufactured by Samsung. The panel (not the tv) is made at a JOINT venture plant (not a Samsung plant). The Sony engine and everything else in the Sony is made in Japan and the Samsung is made in Korea.

I don’t remember saying that Samsung make Sony TV’s, I was talking about panels.

Don’t Sony and Samsung LCD panels share design and manufacturing technology and possibly manufacturing facilities as well.

I’ll admit I don’t follow the subject as much as others.

[Black Dawg Down]

I don’t remember saying that Samsung make Sony TV’s, I was talking about panels.

Don’t Sony and Samsung LCD panels share design and manufacturing technology and possibly manufacturing facilities as well.

Not many people are aware of the definition of a panel.

Even the Panasonic support don't know. I called them to advise the panel in my plasma is damaged therefore the whole unit has to be replaced. They said "What do you mean panel, you mean the whole tv is damaged?" I said, noooo, the panel is the most expensive part of the tv, so when it's broken most of the time it is cheaper to replace the whole unit than repairing it.

[Cooksta59]

What I want....okay then, here it is:

Now you know. Care to recommend me anything, based on the above information I've just shared?

HI Nova.had a look through your post and didnt see you mention how far you will be sitting from your screen (saw mention of small room only).Sorry if I missed it but that wouild help with recommendations of what to buy.

[pjc]

What I want....okay then, here it is:

TV Aspects

- Physically, it should be a Widescreen

- Capable of doing 1080i (1080p is not important to me until there is lots of stuff that actually uses it)

- In-built HDTV tuner (not truly needed but will free up a HDMI port)

Connections

- At least one HDMI (for the Playstation 3 and a HD STB if one is not built in)

- At least two Component (one for the Xbox 360, the other for whatever)

- Standard connections (probably wouldnt be used much if at all though)

Uses of the TV

- Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 gaming

- TV watching (digital, of course)

- Movies (DVD/HD/BR)

Now you know. Care to recommend me anything, based on the above information I've just shared?

If not using as PC monitor why have you discounted plasma? For those who don't need (or aren't allowed) a big screen, plasma gives great value for money (and a picture still better than LCD).

Philip

[Nova Phoenix]

Approx distance from screen: between 2 and 3 metres - like I said, my room is small. Hope that helps.

EDIT: Figure MIGHT possibly be a little less than 2 metres (but not by too much).

[shrek]

5000:1 sounds like wishful thinking on the part of Samsung.

Sony quote less then 2000:1 for there Samsung manufactured panels.

Remember its not contrast ratio that’s important, its black level.

It’s easy to make a display brighter which will give you better contrast numbers, but the extra brightness is unusable in anything other then a bright viewing environment.

No one states black level figures in there spec’s.

I don’t remember saying that Samsung make Sony TV’s, I was talking about panels.

Don’t Sony and Samsung LCD panels share design and manufacturing technology and possibly manufacturing facilities as well.

I’ll admit I don’t follow the subject as much as others.

Owen, you said the Sony panel was manufactured by Samsung. I was just stating that the panel is made jointly by Sony and Samsung. As Black Dawg said some people don't relise that panel and tv are not the same, that's why I said "panel (not tv)". I wasn't implying that you didn't no the difference.

The panel is the only thing the Sony and Samsung have in common. They do not share any design or manufacturing technology- that's why the Sony is better (and more expensive). The Sony has a better engine, etc. The Sony is manufactured in Japan (apart from the panel) and the Samsung is manufactured in Korea. The Samsung also has the gloss black frame if you like that sort of thing, and IMO would reflect too much light.

[GaryCook]

LCD TVs came up again was because I read that in a bright environment, they will look better in all scenes, and in a dark environment, they will look utterly horrible.

I have read this (or similar to this) a number times and I have to report that I have no such problem. I have used the settings recommended on this forum and I am totally happy with the dark environment picture. Everyone who has seen it, comments on how great the picture looks, day or night.

Note that I previously had a good quality CRT in that room and I still have the CRT in another room. So I feel it is good basis for comparion. So don't get swayed by people's experiences that may be out of date or based on shop quality set ups.

cheers

[shrek]

I have read this (or similar to this) a number times and I have to report that I have no such problem. I have used the settings recommended on this forum and I am totally happy with the dark environment picture. Everyone who has seen it, comments on how great the picture looks, day or night.

Note that I previously had a good quality CRT in that room and I still have the CRT in another room. So I feel it is good basis for comparion. So don't get swayed by people's experiences that may be out of date or based on shop quality set ups.

cheers

I totally agree with what Gary says.

[Owen]

Owen, you said the Sony panel was manufactured by Samsung. I was just stating that the panel is made jointly by Sony and Samsung. As Black Dawg said some people don't relise that panel and tv are not the same, that's why I said "panel (not tv)". I wasn't implying that you didn't no the difference.

The panel is the only thing the Sony and Samsung have in common. They do not share any design or manufacturing technology- that's why the Sony is better (and more expensive). The Sony has a better engine, etc. The Sony is manufactured in Japan (apart from the panel) and the Samsung is manufactured in Korea. The Samsung also has the gloss black frame if you like that sort of thing, and IMO would reflect too much light.

Yes I know that Samsung don’t make Sony TV’s, and other then the “panel” Sony and Samsung LCD displays are totally different.

I’m sorry if my comments where misleading, however the subject came up in relation the Samsungs clam of a 5000:1 contrast ratio for there displays where as Sony only claim 1500:1 I believe .

Contrast ratio is dictated by the “panel” not the driving electronics, so ether Sony or Samsung have got it very wrong in there specifications.

I have read this (or similar to this) a number times and I have to report that I have no such problem. I have used the settings recommended on this forum and I am totally happy with the dark environment picture. Everyone who has seen it, comments on how great the picture looks, day or night.

Note that I previously had a good quality CRT in that room and I still have the CRT in another room. So I feel it is good basis for comparion. So don't get swayed by people's experiences that may be out of date or based on shop quality set ups.

cheers

What are you saying here, that your LCD can deliver true blacks, or that it is not much different to your CRT? There is a big difference between the two.

Many CRT cant reproduce true black (which is defined as a complete absence of light) for various reasons, but some very good ones can.

Put any current LCD in a totally dark room, so dark you can’t see your hand in front of your face, and leave it switched off. Your can’t see that there is even a display in the room can you?

Now turn the LCD on and set it to display a black screen (PC screen saver is good) and have another look in that same totally dark environment. Glow from the back light of the LCD will be shockingly obvious to anyone with normal eyes.

A good CRT will be completely invisible displaying the screen saver in that same totally dark environment, if yours is not it is not a good one and cannot display true black.

LCD’s have indisputably the worst black levels of any display type, and only the new models with dynamic back lighting can come even remotely close to producing black.

Having said all that, it’s ultimately up to the user to determine what is acceptable to them for their intended usage.

If the average person cared about black levels, LCD’s would not be as popular as they obviously are.

At least there are alternatives for the people who do.

[dkint3]

I currently have an 8 year old Phillips 59cm CRT with a Topfield SD STB, and would like to upgrade to a widescreen TV as the "black bars" when watching 16:9 programming is making the picture look quite "small".

I would like to get an LCD (either 76cm or 81cm), and whilst the technology has improved and prices have dropped significantly in the last twelve months, there is still 1 area imo, and a major one at that, where the latest LCDs still trail the old CRT.

And that's in the ability to handle fast moving images.. Whilst LCD refresh rates are down to 8 ms or less, I find that there is still a significant amount of 'motion blur' ('trailing' images or whatever you call it).

When the program is not sport or an action movie, the LCD is much better viewing.

But I'm worried that I'll be disappointed when watching sport on it (as that's what I use the TV for a fair bit).

What are your experiences with watching sport/action movies on LCDs?

Is this 'motion blur' really an issue, or is it just me?

Or is it something that you get used to and not notice it after a while, or do you just put up with it?

[daryl]

I currently have an 8 year old Phillips 59cm CRT with a Topfield SD STB, and would like to upgrade to a widescreen TV as the "black bars" when watching 16:9 programming is making the picture look quite "small".

I would like to get an LCD (either 76cm or 81cm), and whilst the technology has improved and prices have dropped significantly in the last twelve months, there is still 1 area imo, and a major one at that, where the latest LCDs still trail the old CRT.

And that's in the ability to handle fast moving images.. Whilst LCD refresh rates are down to 8 ms or less, I find that there is still a significant amount of 'motion blur' ('trailing' images or whatever you call it).

When the program is not sport or an action movie, the LCD is much better viewing.

But I'm worried that I'll be disappointed when watching sport on it (as that's what I use the TV for a fair bit).

What are your experiences with watching sport/action movies on LCDs?

Is this 'motion blur' really an issue, or is it just me?

Or is it something that you get used to and not notice it after a while, or do you just put up with it?

I've had my Panasonic TX-32LXD600A for 2 weeks now and I was expecting to notice some motion blur, but I'm happy to say that I haven't noticed it at all. I've mainly been watching FTA tv and some DVDs. I watched some of the tennis, which I had expected to be pretty bad with regard to motion blur, but it was fine. Likewise the cricket. However, I'm not a big watcher of sport so I'm probably not the best judge.

I do remember when I was looking at LCDs in the shops, some of them were showing the soccer, which looked really bad, but I think it may have had more to do with a crappy signal or broadcast than motion blur.

I was weary about getting an LCD because of motion blur and the "non-black" blacks problems, but because of space restrictions I didn't really have a choice. But now I have one, I am very happy with my tv.

[PanaSung]

5000:1 contrast ratio's are dynamic not static.....Sony and Philips now claim up to 7000:1 dynamic.

The value of the 32in HD LCD's is that they can double as a PC monitor and are now about $1200 for a Samsung.

If you got to youtube and do a search for Samsung HDTV, you can see the physical difference between a 32 and a 40inch, and it's massive.....there's no way I'd want a 40in for my PC, it's just too big....but the 32 would be close to perfect.

Even though the average person is unaware of it, the truth is, the HD world is still in it's infancy.

I wouldn't buy a 1080 set now because they're prolly gonna suck on DVD's, Foxtel and anything that isn't HD.

Cost and value is still an issue for the average punter, eg, a Samsung 32 HDTV LCD is $1200, but is prolly too small for the lounge room{don't forget, the panels are wide, but not "that" high"}, so to get that loving feeling, you prolly need a 40in, but it's about a $1000 more and about the same price as a 10x7 Plasma.

32's are for the PC and bedroom IMO, the lounge room wants 40-42in.

[optusman]

I currently have an 8 year old Phillips 59cm CRT with a Topfield SD STB, and would like to upgrade to a widescreen TV as the "black bars" when watching 16:9 programming is making the picture look quite "small".

I would like to get an LCD (either 76cm or 81cm), and whilst the technology has improved and prices have dropped significantly in the last twelve months, there is still 1 area imo, and a major one at that, where the latest LCDs still trail the old CRT.

And that's in the ability to handle fast moving images.. Whilst LCD refresh rates are down to 8 ms or less, I find that there is still a significant amount of 'motion blur' ('trailing' images or whatever you call it).

When the program is not sport or an action movie, the LCD is much better viewing.

But I'm worried that I'll be disappointed when watching sport on it (as that's what I use the TV for a fair bit).

What are your experiences with watching sport/action movies on LCDs?

Is this 'motion blur' really an issue, or is it just me?

Or is it something that you get used to and not notice it after a while, or do you just put up with it?

If you watch heaps of sport, there is better technology than LCD. When you have Sony's own staff bagging their showpiece Bravia X with respect to how it handles sport, you know the technology has a long way to go. I was one of the first to see the X released, full of anticipation but unfortunately still not quite right

Watch some AFL with camera panning, if the 'drag' effect is OK with you then no probs. I think Plasma is better at handling Sport IMHO.