rezok Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Noticing the 50" plasma's coming down now to around 2500-3000....Panasales had a philips 50 for around 2.5 but I would never buy anything from there.... now noticing you guys talking about the pana for around 3k.... when do people think a 50" will be available for the 2k mark - end of this year - or before? never? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Noticing the 50" plasma's coming down now to around 2500-3000....Panasales had a philips 50 for around 2.5 but I would never buy anything from there....now noticing you guys talking about the pana for around 3k.... when do people think a 50" will be available for the 2k mark - end of this year - or before? never? Current model retail? No chance this year. Couple of generations old/refurbished and sold by someone like Panasales? Possibly. The price of large screen LCD TV's will continue to play a major role in the price of plasma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Been watching the 50inch Samsung PS50D7HD on eBay going for around $3,000 recently. Think when they get to $2,500 my buying time will have come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Been watching the 50inch Samsung PS50D7HD on eBay going for around $3,000 recently.Think when they get to $2,500 my buying time will have come. Buy a 50 inch plasma off eBay? Yikes!!! I hope you don't have any problems with it. A lot of those screens sold on eBay need to be mailed back to the seller for repairs! Read the fine print in the warranty and see if they send a service technician to you. I wouldn't fancy lugging a screen that size anywhere if it had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Buy a 50 inch plasma off eBay? Yikes!!!I hope you don't have any problems with it. A lot of those screens sold on eBay need to be mailed back to the seller for repairs! Read the fine print in the warranty and see if they send a service technician to you. I wouldn't fancy lugging a screen that size anywhere if it had a problem. Well, maybe not eBay ... but I've been very happy with the NEC lcd I got thru an online seller 2 years ago and also the Arion pvr thru MetaTronics. When you live well away from the big cities often there is little choice between buying online or paying exorbitant prices thru small, uninterested local retailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmaxwell1503559518 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Current model retail? No chance this year. I beg to differ....once the 1080p panels are out in June there will be enormous downward pressure on the old 'HD' panels - both 42" and 50". Surely Boxing Day sales will serve up 50" panels at sub-$2k prices, while SD panels will all but be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MELso Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Don't forget that there will always be a price floor below which prices can't fall. The costs of raw materials, labour, depreciation of plant/equipment/research, shipping and retail margins all add up, and hence the first $10k may prove easier to cut than the last $1k... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiin Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 when do people think a 50" will be available for the 2k mark - end of this year - or before? I was in San Francisco last month and Costco had a 50" HD plasma selling for $1499 so I would say it is quite possible to hit the 2k pricepoint here right now, more a matter of when someone wants to do it I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertzz99 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Don't forget that there will always be a price floor below which prices can't fall. The costs of raw materials, labour, depreciation of plant/equipment/research, shipping and retail margins all add up, and hence the first $10k may prove easier to cut than the last $1k... I think that you will find that the advent of China as a production powerhouse has rewritten what people believed to be the floor below which prices could not drop. The total cost of production is so low in China that it doesn’t even register against the list of all other costs (shipping, wholesale, retail margins etc). As consumer electronics companies move more to a direct sales model (like Dell), many fat cat middlemen will be out of jobs. This is something that must happen because the main area now that adds to costs are not production. This will put pressure on these companies to either trim the costs in-between production and consumer or go out of business. So in short, yes you will see sub-$2 50" products and soon. Its just a matter of when the first direct-seller takes the plunge. The way I see it working is that it will be totally web-based and the order will go direct to factory in China. Factory will use courier company to deliver and this will cut out all those excessive in-between costs that shouldn’t be there in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinX Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 50" @ $1999 When....? A week after you beat the salesman down to $2300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinilink1503560355 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I think that you will find that the advent of China as a production powerhouse has rewritten what people believed to be the floor below which prices could not drop. The total cost of production is so low in China that it doesn’t even register against the list of all other costs (shipping, wholesale, retail margins etc). As consumer electronics companies move more to a direct sales model (like Dell), many fat cat middlemen will be out of jobs. This is something that must happen because the main area now that adds to costs are not production. This will put pressure on these companies to either trim the costs in-between production and consumer or go out of business. So in short, yes you will see sub-$2 50" products and soon. Its just a matter of when the first direct-seller takes the plunge. The way I see it working is that it will be totally web-based and the order will go direct to factory in China. Factory will use courier company to deliver and this will cut out all those excessive in-between costs that shouldn’t be there in the first place! What support do you have to claim Dell is way cheaper than other since they don't have middlemen? Dell is both fat cat manufacturer and middlemen as far as I am concerned. You know it by just looking at their stock and Michael's wealth. Please be more specific on what "all those excessive in-between costs that shouldn’t be there in the first place!"? Have you noticed that big cooperates are already moved and trying to shift their manufacturing to Vietnam because China's labour is becoming less competitive in the world market? Have you ever ran your own wholesale and import/export biz to know what kind of works are involved in logistics? Sounds like you are an expert in everything who knows all. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertzz99 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Dell is both fat cat manufacturer and middlemen as far as I am concerned. Very true. This is only the case because the market allows it and other PC sellers are not undercutting them and thus forcing them to be more competitive. The more direct sellers there are out there the lower prices will be at the retail end - but just not the case at the moment. Please be more specific on what "all those excessive in-between costs that shouldn’t be there in the first place!"? Wholesale cut, warehousing costs, customs clearing agents commissions and fees, retail cut, saleman commission and overhead costs of all of the above, just as a starter!!!!! Have you noticed that big cooperates are already moved and trying to shift their manufacturing to Vietnam because China's labour is becoming less competitive in the world market? No I have not noticed this. Must mean that Vietnam are exploiting their labour to an even greater extent than the Chinese!!! Sounds like you are an expert in everything who knows all. Well spotted!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinilink1503560355 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 No I have not noticed this. Must mean that Vietnam are exploiting their labour to an even greater extent than the Chinese!!!Well spotted!!! After all, you aren't an expert in everything as you claimed to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I based my reply on a sub$2,000 50 inch plasma based on Australian retail, not US! The USA is the most fiercely competitive retail market in the world. You just aren't going to get a plasma screen here for anything like what your typical US consumer pays. What the pricing of 1080p plasma panels is going to be locally, I don't know. I imagine that supply is going to be limited for a while and that retailers are going to charge a premium. They could sit in a higher price band than the current HD plasma panels, which may drift down in price a bit but aren't likely to become a firesale item. The majority of plasma and LCD panels are manufactured in Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. Many panels are then shipped to China for assembly into TV's, mobile phones, laptop PC's etc. The high tech factories that churn them out cost billions to build and the bankers want their money back. There is a limit to how low prices can go. The Economist magazine recently had a excellent article about the Chinese economy. Skilled labour and experienced managers have become expensive for companies to hang on to. Many factories are now being built in countries like Vietnam whose economy is booming and has a plentiful labour supply, just over the border. International firms are also wary of having their entire manufacturing base in one country. Problems with labour supply, infrastructure problems, natural disasters, currency fluctuations can be insured against by having a few factories in different countries. There is concern with the increasing gap between rich and poor in China that could result in social instability. Splitting your manufacturing output between China and another country like Vietnam is called a "China 1+1" policy. Not to mention the woeful protection of intellectual property rights in China. Consequently, expensive items are manufactured in countries like Singapore and Japan, then shipped to China for assembly, which is roughly where I started this post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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