Bd/hd Dvd Videoscan Sales Ratios

[hypnotoad8128]

Honestly, can't say i'm surprised. Early sales figures, but interesting nonetheless. It was always going to be an uphill battle for HD DVD due to the forces against it, hardware and software wise. Let's see how they can respond.... Not well personally as their main exclusive software supporter (Universal) have announced primarily back catalog rubbish in the future.. All you defensive HD DVD fanboys, flame away!

The first official retail tracking data from Nielsen VideoScan seems to show Blu-ray Disc outselling HD-DVD in unit software sales by a more than 2 to 1 margin, and the gap is widening. According to data reported in Home Media Retailing (you'll find it on page one of the digital edition available on their website) for the week ending 1/7/07, Year-to-Date tracking indicated that for every 47.14 HD-DVDs sold there were 100 Blu-ray Disc titles sold. Just a week later, ending 1/14/07, the same YTD tracking indicated just 38.36 HD-DVDs sold for every 100 Blu-ray Discs sold. What's more, tracking by Nielsen VideoScan since the inception of both formats appears to indicate that Blu-ray Disc is quickly erasing the sales lead HD-DVD enjoyed as a result of launching months earlier in 2006. On 1/7, HD-DVD's lead was 100 discs for every 85.05 Blu-ray Discs sold, while just a week later on 1/14, that lead had been reduced to 100 HD-DVDs for every 92.40 Blu-ray Discs sold.

Specific unit volume numbers are not available, but one would guess they're still fairly low. No doubt much of the sales surge has to do with the arrival of Sony's PS3 game system in November. We'll have to watch closely over the next few months to see if these trends are affected by specific new software/title releases on both formats from week to week. Still, this data seems to bear out claims made by the BDA at CES, to the effect that their format was outselling HD-DVD as of December 2006 and that the margin could grow to as much as 3 to 1 in early 2007. It'll be interesting to see how continuing sales of the PS3 (and new dedicated players for both formats) impact these numbers as well.

Stay tuned...

[momaw]

deja vu

Is that flame enough?

[franin]

Honestly, can't say i'm surprised. Early sales figures, but interesting nonetheless. It was always going to be an uphill battle for HD DVD due to the forces against it, hardware and software wise. Let's see how they can respond.... Not well personally as their main exclusive software supporter (Universal) have announced primarily back catalog rubbish in the future.. All you defensive HD DVD fanboys, flame away!

I won't believe anything thats written up,the only time I believe it is when they stop producing hd-dvd movies and they all stop selling there players.

[Tweet]

I won't believe anything thats written up,the only time I believe it is when they stop producing hd-dvd movies and they all stop selling there players.

Player base is more indicative of a format's acceptance by the masses than is disc sales.

Look at what happened with VHS, most machines were sold to people who just rented movies and only occasionally bought a copy, possibly after having rented it.

DVD followed in much the same fashion and so will HD DVD eventually.

Blu-ray is less likely to be adopted by the rental market due to disc vulnerability.

C.M

[Altair]

Honestly, can't say i'm surprised. Early sales figures, but interesting nonetheless. It was always going to be an uphill battle for HD DVD due to the forces against it, hardware and software wise. Let's see how they can respond.... Not well personally as their main exclusive software supporter (Universal) have announced primarily back catalog rubbish in the future.. All you defensive HD DVD fanboys, flame away!

Can't say I'm suprised either. Let's be honest here, who didn't see this coming?

Back to the future and Jurassic park are the only Universal titles I'd be interested in.

Star Wars, Alien, Predator, Simpsons & Futurama are only a few that I must have that are blu-ray exclusives.

Wait til the PS3 gets launched to the rest of the world and that will be the final nail in the coffin for the other format (I've already forgotten it's name).

[momaw]

Can't say I'm suprised either. Let's be honest here, who didn't see this coming?

Back to the future and Jurassic park are the only Universal titles I'd be interested in.

Star Wars, Alien, Predator, Simpsons & Futurama are only a few that I must have that are blu-ray exclusives.

Wait til the PS3 gets launched to the rest of the world and that will be the final nail in the coffin for the other format (I've already forgotten it's name).

You know the pro BD/anti HD DVD guys on this forum put a lot of work into whining about how they are they victim to the pro HD DVD crowd here. They constantly harp on about how they are put down and no-one takes their information seriously blah blah blah. You and your friend with comments like:

All you defensive HD DVD fanboys, flame away!

are really hurting their "we are the victim" stance here. You should think about your poor fellow BD'ers when you post.

But seriously, look at the posts from opposing sides and tell me, who really is the defensive bunch here? It's almost like certain BD fanboi's are incapable of making a post without some sort of snide goading of the HD DVD fans to incite a flamefest rather than beneficial discussion and then want us to take them seriously.

Argue your case like adults and you might get taken seriously. If all you wanna do is start fights go somewhere else.

[Hydrology]

Considering momaw already started a thread on this very topic, it shows your childish attitude by recycling this news for the sake of stirring things up. For a long time member like you Hypnotoad, its very childish.

[Altair]

You know the pro BD/anti HD DVD guys on this forum put a lot of work into whining about how they are they victim to the pro HD DVD crowd here. They constantly harp on about how they are put down and no-one takes their information seriously blah blah blah. You and your friend with comments like:

are really hurting their "we are the victim" stance here. You should think about your poor fellow BD'ers when you post.

But seriously, look at the posts from opposing sides and tell me, who really is the defensive bunch here? It's almost like certain BD fanboi's are incapable of making a post without some sort of snide goading of the HD DVD fans to incite a flamefest rather than beneficial discussion and then want us to take them seriously.

Argue your case like adults and you might get taken seriously. If all you wanna do is start fights go somewhere else.

No-way I disagree. This forum is filled with Pro HD-DVD/Anti BD fanboy's and they are by far the only defensive bunch.

BD fans don't need to defend the format because....well.....we know there is no stopping blu-ray.

I only threw my 2 cents worth after reading all the garbage thrown at the ps3 and BD.

[betty boop]

No-way I disagree. This forum is filled with Pro HD-DVD/Anti BD fanboy's and they are by far the only defensive bunch.

BD fans don't need to defend the format because....well.....we know there is no stopping blu-ray.

I only threw my 2 cents worth after reading all the garbage thrown at the ps3 and BD.

I think we've seen plenty of Pro blu-ray & ps3/Anti hd-dvd & xbox 360 rant raving from yourself not jsut in this thread but in just about everyother post of yours.

as far as rant raver fan boys I think you take the cake !

[Hydrology]

No-way I disagree. This forum is filled with Pro HD-DVD/Anti BD fanboy's and they are by far the only defensive bunch.

BD fans don't need to defend the format because....well.....we know there is no stopping blu-ray.

I only threw my 2 cents worth after reading all the garbage thrown at the ps3 and BD.

Even your responses to posts are childish. Grow up, unless you are a teenager, in which case, try act like a man.

[sulimo]

I think we've seen plenty of Pro blu-ray & ps3/Anti hd-dvd & xbox 360 rant raving

Well I haven't noticed it. Though maybe its just they aren't prolific posters, or there are less of them. That might change once we see more people with Bluray courtesy of the PS3 though.

Not that I want that...I wish all these pointless format forum battles would disappear. Its almost as stupid as Holden v Ford stuff. Or operating system religious wars.

As for these figures, I'm not surprised. I imagine a lot of PS3 owners would be trying out a few discs. Of course who knows how many are likely to be regular buyers. It could just be a post Christmas blip.

I'd expect many, on both sides, will just move to rental though. No-one wants to be stuck with all those movies if their format dies. Netflix claims to have a decent amount of titles.

[momaw]

BD fans don't need to defend the format because....well.....we know there is no stopping blu-ray.

Saying something does no make it so.

You have yet to add anything to this "debate" that justifies this position in any way.

If all you are here to do is make inflamatory, unsupported statements, then I suggest you go elsewhere. We are not interested.

the blu-ray format is yet to produce a single title that justifies it's inflated hardware price, or demonstartes it's "on paper" superiority. In fact, blu-ray titles have less feature support (ie no Dolby True HD audio support) and less added value features (what is considered the "norm" on SD DVD now) than it HD DVD counterparts. The format is struggling to sell standalone players (last count was 25,000 compared to 270,000 HD DVD players). It's only card in the deck at present is the PS3.

this year will see the Matrix Trilogy, the Harry Potter films and Star Trek: The Original Series released to HD DVD before blu-ray due to blu-ray not even having it's hardware features bedded down correctly yet.

Can the PS3 overcome all this on it's own? Only time will tell.

Statements like yours just indicate desperation on your part to have others take notice of you.

Disclaimer: I am a current owner of HD DVD and I plan to get a blu-ray player myself in the near future. the above comments are a direct response to previous posts and do not represent my position in this "war". They are merely an attempt to add some balance and rational arguments.

[Altair]

Even your responses to posts are childish. Grow up, unless you are a teenager, in which case, try act like a man.

Why are you calling every pro blu-ray poster childish?

[betty boop]

Well I haven't noticed it. Though maybe its just they aren't prolific posters, or there are less of them. That might change once we see more people with Bluray courtesy of the PS3 though.

Not that I want that...I wish all these pointless format forum battles would disappear. Its almost as stupid as Holden v Ford stuff. Or operating system religious wars.

As for these figures, I'm not surprised. I imagine a lot of PS3 owners would be trying out a few discs. Of course who knows how many are likely to be regular buyers. It could just be a post Christmas blip.

I'd expect many, on both sides, will just move to rental though. No-one wants to be stuck with all those movies if their format dies. Netflix claims to have a decent amount of titles.

you must have missed all these posts ...

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?act=Sea...sult_type=posts

I agree in all your other comments. Why not discuss both on their relative merits. And the rantings I read are very much holden vs ford as you say.

I wish the posts from many could be as balanced as yours.

And yeah i'd welcome the rental option and have signed up for quickflix for exactly that reason, seing they are renting hd-dvd titles, and some you might jsut want ot watch once not necessarily own.

[sulimo]

In fact, blu-ray titles have less feature support (ie no Dolby True HD audio support)

Some have DTS-HD MA though I think. Which I'd actually trust more than Dolbys stuff.

[Altair]

Saying something does no make it so.

You have yet to add anything to this "debate" that justifies this position in any way.

If all you are here to do is make inflamatory, unsupported statements, then I suggest you go elsewhere. We are not interested.

the blu-ray format is yet to produce a single title that justifies it's inflated hardware price, or demonstartes it's "on paper" superiority. In fact, blu-ray titles have less feature support (ie no Dolby True HD audio support) and less added value features (what is considered the "norm" on SD DVD now) than it HD DVD counterparts. The format is struggling to sell standalone players (last count was 25,000 compared to 270,000 HD DVD players). It's only card in the deck at present is the PS3.

this year will see the Matrix Trilogy, the Harry Potter films and Star Trek: The Original Series released to HD DVD before blu-ray due to blu-ray not even having it's hardware features bedded down correctly yet.

Can the PS3 overcome all this on it's own? Only time will tell.

Statements like yours just indicate desperation on your part to have others take notice of you.

Disclaimer: I am a current owner of HD DVD and I plan to get a blu-ray player myself in the near future. the above comments are a direct response to previous posts and do not represent my position in this "war". They are merely an attempt to add some balance and rational arguments.

Oh geez a fence sitter trying to contribute to a bd vs hd-dvd debate. Get out of here.

[50mxe20]

Not that I want that...I wish all these pointless format forum battles would disappear. Its almost as stupid as Holden v Ford stuff. Or operating system religious wars.

One would think these guys had shares in the companies or something.

I agree, why does everyone have to be so emotive about the topic. Just state the facts and do comparisons without the emotion (There have been a few).

Some people are even defending something they don't even have. Hard to reconcile the passion.

[momaw]

Some have DTS-HD MA though I think. Which I'd actually trust more than Dolbys stuff.

Being lossless they should be bit for bit the same.

Not sure why so many are anti-dolby. for years Dolby was the only way to go with the wonderful surrround sound they provided on such masterpieces like Star Wars. Suddenly DTS comes along with it's perceived supperiority and every one is going "screw dolby".

Personally, with the exception of a couple of titles (Akira DTS and House of Flying Daggers EDKO release) I can hear no difference between 90% of mixes. In fact, as DTS is recorded at a higher volume, many perceive a difference that isn't there when volumes are equalised.

Just my 2cents on the matter.

Oh geez a fence sitter trying to contribute to a bd vs hd-dvd debate. Get out of here.

again, nothing to support your position, just inflamatory BS. Sounds like someone is trying to overcompensate for their own insecurities. Go cry to mummy.

[c912039]

Oh geez a fence sitter trying to contribute to a bd vs hd-dvd debate. Get out of here.

Im sorry, since when did the BD fanbois dictate who can or cant be involved in a rational discussion her? (although some of the arguments put forward lately seem less than rational).

I jsut dont understand what drives people to such extremes over a data disk format? Have they sworn their first-born to Sony Corp? Have they joined a BD gang that borrows much of its culture of allegiance from MS13?

What is it that turns rational thinking men into raving fanbois over a bit of technology..

Geesh - get a grip!

Its JUST a plastic disk with a movie on it!

[betty boop]

Some have DTS-HD MA though I think. Which I'd actually trust more than Dolbys stuff.

those will be well worth looking out for I reckon.

[50mxe20]

I jsut dont understand what drives people to such extremes over a data disk format? Have they sworn their first-born to Sony Corp? Have they joined a BD gang that borrows much of its culture of allegiance from MS13?

What is it that turns rational thinking men into raving fanbois over a bit of technology..

Geesh - get a grip!

Its JUST a plastic disk with a movie on it!

ROLF (Santa©).

[betty boop]

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Some people are even defending something they don't even have. Hard to reconcile the passion.

yes this I find this most difficult to understand !

[Chesty]

Oh geez a fence sitter trying to contribute to a bd vs hd-dvd debate. Get out of here.

No problems with you being pro BR / PS3 but at least respect other peoples opinions even if they favour HD DVD.

By the way i have no allegiance to either format at this point.

[Altair]

Hey alebonau.

get rid of the link.

[momaw]

Hey alebonau.

get rid of the link.

truth hurts huh?

In support of Al, here is that link again

oh, and generally speaking, fence sitters haven't bought into the formats. I think owning at least one of these formats gives me more rights than you according to your logic.