anthonysimilion Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Well, Seven run almost the same bitrate as ABC HD, but it looks nowhere as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Screenshots (look for slight jaggies on hair - tell tale signs of upconvert) Them caps look better then home and away! That show is auctually less then perfect seven had a double episode today, Hope and faith is on prime/7 at 2pm today. Has Prime ever shown the 7 loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moasaica Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 With Prime now actually transmitting in 1080i HD, I could see a number of Sydney people that have HD receivers, buying UHF antennas to receive Prime from Wollongong & could result them in stop watching Seven altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion_R Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 With Prime now actually transmitting in 1080i HD, I could see a number of Sydney people that have HD receivers, buying UHF antennas to receive Prime from Wollongong & could result them in stop watching Seven altogether. I encourage everyone who can do this to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austruckie Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I encourage everyone who can do this to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion_R Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 If Seven were to go 1080i soon then I'd consider watching 24 on their network but I will not watch butchered 576p dog turd as I can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaineos Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 A little soft, but still much nicer than SD/old 576p HD I am wondering when someone at PRIME will flick the switch back to 576p, 1080i seems to good to be true/wont lastm until SEVEN do 1080i Hope and Faith Captures: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2252/hopefaith26yv1.jpg http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2504/hopefaith21sm2.jpg http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5032/hopefaith22is1.jpg http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3143/hopefaith23tk7.jpg http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9012/hopefaith24dn5.jpg http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4332/hopefaith25rm2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBM Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 This thread is depressing for us in Seven areas. With Hope and Faith being originally 720p, they actually look alright at 1080i. Then you compare it to 576p (hopefully someone recorded it - I forgot but have seen it before) and again, the joke comes to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymez Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 so all US FTA content is originally 720p? Lost, 24, desperate housewives, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonysimilion Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 so all US FTA content is originally 720p? Lost, 24, desperate housewives, etc? The shows you have mentioned are broadcast at 720p resolution on FOX (24) and ABC (Lost, Desperate Housewives). CBS (CSI, Close to Home etc.), NBC (Heroes, West Wing etc.) and The CW (Supernatural, Veronica Mars etc.) broadcast at 1080i. However, that does not mean that they are distributed to international broadcasters at 720p - it's likely to still be 1080i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymez Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 However, that does not mean that they are distributed to international broadcasters at 720p - it's likely to still be 1080i. my thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion_R Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 This thread is depressing for us in Seven areas. With Hope and Faith being originally 720p, they actually look alright at 1080i. Then you compare it to 576p (hopefully someone recorded it - I forgot but have seen it before) and again, the joke comes to light. Does it scare anyone that pirates have better quality control than broadcast TV does? A poor release on the internet is nuked but broadcasters are happy to broadcast poor quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaineos Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 The higher quality releases on the internet can not be grouped in the same category as pirates. I would say a pirate would use the 350mb Xvid encodes, everything about those releases are very poor. Rushed out as fast as possible to feed demanding internet users. Fantastic becuase the download fast, small file size, and work on DIVX DVD players - fairly common these days. The next step being HR releases, 700mb with original sound and vastly improved picture quality bring people great sound quality and a decent picture. The resolution is genrally ~920x544 - or Half Resolution of the original broadcast. These versions make excellent DVD's - use ConvertXtoDVD software for the most convenient 'one click' solution. Moving higher are the ~1.1GB x264 encodes starting to filter through. Previously only available on private trackers, I see Eztv are tracking Prision Break S02E14 x264 720p. These releases are single pass, original resolution and need deblocking to make them watchable. x264 is great for the internet, but like every other codec, when squeezed for file size gives bad results. Certainly a wonderful quality step up compared to the 350mb versions available everywhere. Modern computers should be able to decode this quality using CoreAVC codec. Again moving higher are the 2pass 1.4GB x264 releases. These to my knowledge are available in limited places (BiT-HDTV and HDbits for eg) but offer the best quality possible at a convenient file size. Original resolution, original sound and 2pass encoding makes for a file similar to the original broadcast - I download this quality. The best thing about these last 4 versions is, all have been IVTC'd to their original frame rate. Making playback much more simpler, and compress better aswell. The highest possible quality are the original TS streams - everything is as broadcast. Difficult to play properly because you have to IVTC, but if you have a brain and use the appropriate filters - amazing quality can be had. File size for show like Prison Break ~3.5-4.5GB. Heroes at 1080i from a good NBC broadcast ~5-7GB. Again this quality is for an elite audience, available on HDbits and Usenet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion_R Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 The higher quality releases on the internet can not be grouped in the same category as pirates.I would say a pirate would use the 350mb Xvid encodes, everything about those releases are very poor. Rushed out as fast as possible to feed demanding internet users. Fantastic becuase the download fast, small file size, and work on DIVX DVD players - fairly common these days. The next step being HR releases, 700mb with original sound and vastly improved picture quality bring people great sound quality and a decent picture. The resolution is genrally ~920x544 - or Half Resolution of the original broadcast. These versions make excellent DVD's - use ConvertXtoDVD software for the most convenient 'one click' solution. Moving higher are the ~1.1GB x264 encodes starting to filter through. Previously only available on private trackers, I see Eztv are tracking Prision Break S02E14 x264 720p. These releases are single pass, original resolution and need deblocking to make them watchable. x264 is great for the internet, but like every other codec, when squeezed for file size gives bad results. Certainly a wonderful quality step up compared to the 350mb versions available everywhere. Modern computers should be able to decode this quality using CoreAVC codec. Again moving higher are the 2pass 1.4GB x264 releases. These to my knowledge are available in limited places (BiT-HDTV and HDbits for eg) but offer the best quality possible at a convenient file size. Original resolution, original sound and 2pass encoding makes for a file similar to the original broadcast - I download this quality. The best thing about these last 4 versions is, all have been IVTC'd to their original frame rate. Making playback much more simpler, and compress better aswell. The highest possible quality are the original TS streams - everything is as broadcast. Difficult to play properly because you have to IVTC, but if you have a brain and use the appropriate filters - amazing quality can be had. File size for show like Prison Break ~3.5-4.5GB. Heroes at 1080i from a good NBC broadcast ~5-7GB. Again this quality is for an elite audience, available on HDbits and Usenet. A HR.HDTV release is better quality than a SD broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaineos Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 "A HR.HDTV release is better quality than a SD broadcast." Come on mate thats just far to 'generic'. If everything you watch is bright outdoor scenes with little movement then yes HR can look amazing. But watch a scene, like a night scene, look at the walls - contouring lines, blocky faces - post processing helps but good quality, Australian SD can be just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalj Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Has anyone complained to 7 about the fact that they are only providing yuk 576p, and their regional affiliates are providing glorious 1080i, and that they might loose viewers in areas where they are able to tune into PRIME? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yabbal Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Has anyone complained to 7 about the fact that they are only providing yuk 576p, and their regional affiliates are providing glorious 1080i, and that they might loose viewers in areas where they are able to tune into PRIME? Careful, do that and they may try to pressure PRIME to switch back to 576p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalj Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Careful, do that and they may try to pressure PRIME to switch back to 576p I used to be in PRIME's coverage area just over a month ago, and now in 7's, so you can imagine just how frustrated I am that I have to put up with 576p, wherweas if I didn't move I'd have 1080i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDusk Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 You might be able to get Prime from Beecroft with the right UHF aerial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion_R Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 "A HR.HDTV release is better quality than a SD broadcast."Come on mate thats just far to 'generic'. If everything you watch is bright outdoor scenes with little movement then yes HR can look amazing. But watch a scene, like a night scene, look at the walls - contouring lines, blocky faces - post processing helps but good quality, Australian SD can be just as good. Rubbish. The sharpness and details are simply not there on SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaineos Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 This morning PRIME broadcasted some cartoons in 1080i HD - looked fantastic. Road to Eldorado on WIN looked much better, but when compared to PRIME SD there was a huge difference - SD was fuzzy with swimming backgrounds with exagerated edge enhancement - Compared to HD, none of the above were problems. A much cleaner source, definate improvement in detail and no ringing/halo's around edges. Caps: http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9090/sa...ingclub4rl5.jpg http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7421/sa...ingclub1ax4.jpg http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9532/sa...ingclub2ct4.jpg http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/850/sat...ingclub3py0.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I used to be in PRIME's coverage area just over a month ago, and now in 7's, so you can imagine just how frustrated I am that I have to put up with 576p, wherweas if I didn't move I'd have 1080i. And I thought I was 'lucky' Still, there must be some positives about living in the new area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckent Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 See what I mean about PRIME being 'cleaner'? There is more detail, check out the keyboard and edges, less jaggies and better detail overall.@Example 2 - lower right corner - huge difference between the two. How SEVEN can pass that as HD is just beyond beleif, but the difference means they are capable of 1080i just to slack to do so. Careful how you compare the two -- I hate to be defending 576p at all, but to compare them fairly, you need to remember that you must put two frames of 576p against one frame of 1080i. A single frame of 576p only contains half the detail of the original film frame, and this is going to cause jaggies that aren't really the fault of 576p. It comes down to the way Seven (and most stations) do the conversion to progressive. The downside is these extra jaggies, and lots of shimmering that means that displaying this "p" format on a progressive panel (eg, LCD or plasma or computer screen) will actually not give you any of the benefits of a progressive format. The upside is that when you output 576p via 1080i from a set top box, you'll possibly get most or all of the vertical detail back. In theory you can get 1125 lines in 576p. Of course that still doesn't change the fact you're limited to 720 pixels of horizontal detail. (But they might have picked 960x576 if they were far too clever). As for Home & Away -- I was talking today to someone who worked on the set, and they said there were definitely "high definition converters" connected to the "old cameras" they use. Boy, they'd better not be counting this toward their quota. CK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonysimilion Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 As for Home & Away -- I was talking today to someone who worked on the set, and they said there were definitely "high definition converters" connected to the "old cameras" they use. Boy, they'd better not be counting this toward their quota. I don't see why they wouldn't - they also advertise it proudly as 'HD'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRisos Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 Bit off topic.. I've recorded the entire prime stream But i can only watch SD i cant extract the HD.. Ive tryed projectx but i cant get it to demux the hd it just ignores it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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