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I'm in the market for an LCD TV although I am on a fairly tight budget of $1500. I've found these 32 inch Kogan TV's on eBay for $1450 Kogan 32inch LCD TV's

What does everyone think about them?

How do they compare to what else is on the market?

I want an LCD TV to play xbox games on in high definition.

Thanks in advance!

Leigh

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From looking at the ad on e-Bay, these televisions are imported from China and "branded" with the Kogan brand in Melbourne. We bought a "Rotel Digital" 46" LCD from Betta last month, which looks exactly the same as the Kogan 46" being advertised on e-Bay. At the time (see Rotel Digital thread at this forum), the importers were having problems with the name, so I suspect they have changed their name to Kogan instead. They are both Melbourne based companies.

We have absolutely no problems with our 46" TV even to the extent of playing PS2 games though it. We have hooked it to an LG PVR and Samsung Home Theatre and have no problems there.

If we had any quibble, it would be with the Remote Control, which is pretty basic and not very intuative.

There are purists who will not go anywhere near a Chinese TV with a barge-pole, but with a long warranty, backed up by a local support organisation, at these prices, I don't think you'd be making a bad decision.

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Hi DTV Forum readers,

My name is Ruslan Kogan. I am the founder of Kogan LCD TVs.

Firstly, I would like discard any rumors that Kogan TV is associated with 'Rotel Digital' - in fact, the previous post is the first time I have heard of Rotel.

I am an IT enthusiast and I have had a passion for technology all my life - I've always had the latest Nokia phone, I love playing with Mac Powerbooks, I'll buy anything USB!

Being a connoisseur of fine technology, I'm usually happy to splurge on products to get all the added features. When I find a brand name product that has nothing over the competition except a price tag, I'm never willing to hand over my hard earned to someone's marketing department...It's with this business philosophy that I started Kogan Technologies.

Kogan LCD TVs use a Samsung Panel. This means that the display quality you get on our TVs is exactly the same as you would on Samsung and Sony Bravia equivalents (Sony use Samsung panels in their LCDs).

There are currently 4 products in our LCD range:

7" Digital Photo Frame

http://kogan.com.au/product.php?id=71

19" KOGAN LCD TV / PC Monitor

http://kogan.com.au/product.php?id=19

32" KOGAN LCD TV - High Definition

http://kogan.com.au/product.php?id=32

46" KOGAN LCD TV - High Definition

http://kogan.com.au/product.php?id=46

Our 46" 117cm High Definition TV is the best LCD TV deal in Australia - NO DOUBT!

It has all the features you find in $7000+ models and we are selling them on eBay for around $3500*.

Please check out our eBay store for the latest deals:

http://stores.ebay.com.au/Kogan-Direct

If anyone has any questions about any of the Kogan TV or more information on the brand, please feel free to post the questions and I will reply.

Cheers,

Ruslan Kogan

Kogan Technologies

* Price is variable as all our eBay auctions start at 1 cent with no reserve

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Kogan LCD TVs use a Samsung Panel. This means that the display quality you get on our TVs is exactly the same as you would on Samsung and Sony Bravia equivalents (Sony use Samsung panels in their LCDs).

Samsung made PVA and S-PVA panels. Samaung and Sony use S-PVA panels. I think Kogan uses the low-end PVA panels according its specs. So don't expect the picture quality be as good as Samsung or Sony.

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Our 46" 117cm High Definition TV is the best LCD TV deal in Australia - NO DOUBT!

It has all the features you find in $7000+ models and we are selling them on eBay for around $3500*.

* Price is variable as all our eBay auctions start at 1 cent with no reserve

NO DOUBT ?

This unit it 1366x768. I saw the Teac 42" 1920x1080 resolution LCD for sale at a Retravision store last weekend with a sticker price of $2999, $2800 for cash.

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NO DOUBT ?

This unit it 1366x768. I saw the Teac 42" 1920x1080 resolution LCD for sale at a Retravision store last weekend with a sticker price of $2999, $2800 for cash.

I think we have to compare Apples with Apples. True, the Kogan isn't 1920x1080 but you have to take into account the actual size difference between a 42" screen and a 46" screen - the manufacturing costs are much higher and that's why 46" units sell for considerably higher. If you worked out the total display area on each - you would see just how much bigger a 46" screen is.

As far as I've seen, the closest competition to the Kogan x46 is the Sherwood 46" from JB HI FI which they will sell to you for around $4800. With the Kogan x46 delivered to your door anywhere in Australia for around $3500, I'm yet to see a deal that competes with it.

If you find a better deal out there, let me know and I'll be sure to tackle it head on - I'm here to provide educated consumers with the best possible deals if they are willing to make online purchases!

Cheers,

Kogan

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Thanks Kogan!!

I ended up buying the Kogan 32 inch model from eBay. The service was great... made a paymnet on Saturday and I received my TV on Tuesday.

I use it with my Xbox 360 and an HD set top box (with HDMI of course) - AWESOME!

The picture quality is better than any branded LCD that i've seen on display in any store and I've been in the market for a while. The screen looks very appealing aswell with it's all black look with a sleek acryl finish.

I couldnt get the panel to work as a computer monitor for a while but a call to the Kogan help desk sent me in the right direction very quickly (I need an HDMI/DVI cable).

If anyone is scared of buying this brand...don't be..I think this is one of the best purchases I've made all year!

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These Tv's are still 1366 x 768 pixels + Do they even have digital tuners??

$1,479.00 + $100 postage for a unknown and unproven (long term) brand.

Today after work I have seen people haggle an old sony V series 32" down to $1975 and a Samsung R series (with didi tuner) for ~ $1900 buy it right now (without trying). The LG with digi tuner (32LC2D) can be had for less than $1600 at the right place.

With all these options and for only about $ 400 less than sony and samsung - It just doesn't make sense to me why I would consider a Kogan - maybe someone can explain it to me???

THIS ALSO WORRIES ME

"1. "Samsung Panel" - what does it mean?

The brand of this LCD TV is Kogan. It uses the same Samsung manufactured LCD panel as a Samsung LCD TV. This means that you will get the exact same beautiful crisp picture on this TV as you would with a Samsung - but for a fraction of the price!"

Most people here have told me it is the computer (engine) in the panel that makes it dispay to its full potential??? Im confused

I hope I made some sense here!

Cheers Tom

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NO DOUBT ?

This unit it 1366x768. I saw the Teac 42" 1920x1080 resolution LCD for sale at a Retravision store last weekend with a sticker price of $2999, $2800 for cash.

My 2 cents. Atleast there is now another choice in the budget end of town for cheap LCD TV's. I guess its buyer beware really. I think its nice that Mr Kogan has come on to the forum and explained his purpose. Its good customer service IMHO.

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My 2 cents. Atleast there is now another choice in the budget end of town for cheap LCD TV's. I guess its buyer beware really. I think its nice that Mr Kogan has come on to the forum and explained his purpose. Its good customer service IMHO.

i'll be able to tell you what the Teac is like soon... its from an established manufacturer anyway.. (Amoi)

as you said... its nice that the manufacturer has appeared on here.. as support can sell things sometimes better than anything!

i guess pictures and reviews would help people to decide... and some specs!

Steve

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I think we have to compare Apples with Apples. True, the Kogan isn't 1920x1080 but you have to take into account the actual size difference between a 42" screen and a 46" screen - the manufacturing costs are much higher and that's why 46" units sell for considerably higher. If you worked out the total display area on each - you would see just how much bigger a 46" screen is.

A 46" screen has 20% more area than a 42" screen. It's not a lot bigger.

$3500 is 25% more than $2800.

As far as I've seen, the closest competition to the Kogan x46 is the Sherwood 46" from JB HI FI which they will sell to you for around $4800. With the Kogan x46 delivered to your door anywhere in Australia for around $3500, I'm yet to see a deal that competes with it.

What about warranty ?

Teac's warranty is 3 years, yours is 12 months (3 years for another $300).

If you find a better deal out there, let me know and I'll be sure to tackle it head on - I'm here to provide educated consumers with the best possible deals if they are willing to make online purchases!

Cheers,

Kogan

The Teac 42" LCD is slightly smaller but it can be purchased for less, is higher resolution and the standard warranty is longer.

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The Kogan lcd's is one of the ones my wife and I have been considering...

I agree just because a 'panel' is made by the same company / production facility, doesn't mean the screen is just as good. The electronics driving the screen have just as much to do with the image quality, at least in my opinion.

It's also true that companies make more than one type of panel, as mentioned above, so the comments that it is the same as a Samsung / Sony is probably not correct.

The 1 year warranty (3 years $200) is the big sticking point with us. We like Sony lcd's but I think anyone would agree that the 12 month warranty they provide is pretty poor. However, there are ways to double this by using certain credit cards for purchase or by store offers - Harvey Norman recently held a double the warranty offer.

Some examples is the competion is (price wise)...

Teac 32" $1499.00 (3 year factory warranty)

Reality 32" $1499.00 (3 year warranty - free delivery)

Sherwood 32" $1999.00 (inbuilt hd tuner - seems to be getting good comments)

Samsung 32" $1500 - $1900 (both inbuilt hd tuner and without 3yr warranty)

Acer 3220, 3720... range (32" for around $1399)

BenQ (VA series)

Many more like Schaub Lorenz (I think these look quite good and have up to 5 years warranty)

Then of course there is the 'cheaper' brands like Magnavox, JNC, AWA and others that can be had for around $1200 (32") and include 2-3 year warranties. I know all warranties aren't created equal, but it is a piece of mind thing for consumers, and probably doubly important for an 'unknown' brand like Kogan compared to the biggies like Sony etc.

All this being said, I still wouldn't right these Kogans off, but it would be nice to see some of these 'brands' have there products reviewed both in magazines / online websites as well as more comments from owners.

The Kogan 32" set appears to be the same as one of the sets JNC have on their TW website, and the larger sets appear to be the same manufacture as the Soniq lcd's offered through JB-Hifi.

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I think Kogan just re badge HPC from http://www.huipu.com.cn/Products/LCDTV.asp

You'd be right! We assemble our TVs at the same factory as JNC & Soniq - the internals are not the same though.

I have hand picked all the internals to ensure:

- the TV is very responsive (press a button on the remote and see results on the screen straight away)

- A range of High Definition inputs are available (HDMI/DVI, VGA & 2x Component)

- Full feature chip set (PIP, POP, Sound and picture controls and optimization)

Also, please don't be confused by our "Buy It Now" prices - they are merely there to guide the market...Kogan makes 99% of it's sales through 1 cent no reserve listins. Our average selling prices are:

Kogan 19" - $400

Kogan 32" - $1100

Kogan 46" - $3500

Some customers have picked up our 46" LCD for $2650 (Hopefully this doesn't happen again).

My philosophy is that if I list my product on the world largest marketplace for 1c NO RESERVE, and it fetches the wrong price, then I'm selling the wrong product.

There is a 46" HD LCD that is about to end in a couple of hours and it's currently at $2550:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=150048269212

I hear those of you who would like to see more reviews of my products. I'll email my customer and ask them to make a post in this thread if they have a spare moment - I've had some great feedback from $$$ conscious consumers!

Have a great weekend,

Kogan

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There is a 46" HD LCD that is about to end in a couple of hours and it's currently at $2550:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=150048269212

On the above site there is an extensive specification list, but what is more interesting is a quick comparison with the equivelent size Sony Bravia. According to this comparison, the price of a Sony Bravia 46" (1366x768) is $8999. Sony's website has an RRP of $5999 for the 46" (1366x768) Bravia V series and $6999 for the 46" (1929x1080) Bravia X series.

EDIT: 9:20pm EST

Some customers have picked up our 46" LCD for $2650 (Hopefully this doesn't happen again).

The 46" LCD sold on Ebay for $2750. Postage cost: $160.

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Also another option to consider is the NEC, 46" LCD TV which is a known brand and offers a 3 year warranty. The in-built high definition digital tuner and aesthetics are a nice touch.

I have seen these around for $4,500.00.

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any way we can preview the displays before buying?

We don't have a showroom at the moment but we might open one in the near future.

I have just sent an email to our recent customers asking them to write a review in this thread..Hopefully we see some independant opinions about the Kogan brand in here soon.

Enjoy the beautiful sunny day(in Melbourne;),

Kogan

PS. There is some 46" High Definition LCDs ending in 2 hours..they are currently at $1960:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=150049225935

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Please check out our eBay store for the latest deals:

http://stores.ebay.com.au/Kogan-Direct

There is a 46" HD LCD that is about to end in a couple of hours and it's currently at $2550:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=150048269212

PS. There is some 46" High Definition LCDs ending in 2 hours..they are currently at $1960:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=150049225935

I bet Harvey Norman couldn't get this type of advertising on the DTV forum..

I suppose it is just within context.

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I bet Harvey Norman couldn't get this type of advertising on the DTV forum..

I suppose it is just within context.

Geez you guys are a harsh crowd!

Yes I'm trying to spread the word about Kogan in Australia. I think the business model and concept I have introduced will benefit a lot of people - I receive about 5 praise emails a day from customers in rural areas who tell me that I saved them over 50% on what they would have been expected to pay at their local Retravision.

Although some members disagree, I still beleive I have the best value LCD TVs in Australia - you can't compare a 42" LCD to a 46" LCD.

However, price isn't enough to sway some buyers so I am here in the DTV forum to show customers that we at Kogan are always listening and very accessible. Is it easy to find someone at Sony who actually knows about TVs? (I called Sony Central yesterday and asked them if it's true that they use Samsung panels - they told me Samsung make the glass that goes in front of their TVs :blink:..JOKE!

If anyone has any questions about the Kogan range, please feel free to post it here and I will reply ASAP.

All the best,

Kogan

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I brought one of these Kogan HDTV's off ebay about a month ago and I have to say they are BETTER than alot of the brand name equivilents. I also bought a BENQ one and it was shocking. Mine had an 8ms response time and everything looks clean and crisp. The screen itself is also fairly solid and comes with the option to wall-mount it.

I have no regrets about buying it and when it is time for me to get a larger one I will buy it from them.

P.S. Here is my ebay user info so you can see that this is not just a post from Kogan.

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ame=STRK:ME:UFS

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Hi guys..I just purchased the Kogan LCD and am generally very happy with it. The build quality may not be up to a Sony but it makes up for it in "bang for buck" image quality. I got mine for $1200 but have since seen them go for just over a grand!! :blink: I had a chance to compare it with the Acer 32" and believe it to have superior pic quality. The blacks seem to get crushed on the Acer. Most of my evaluation material has been WMVHD material at 1280x720 from my media center pc via HDMI. The HD image is awesome!! My other worry was dead pixels. It seemed to have a dead one on arrival but came back to life after a few days(is that possible?).

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My other worry was dead pixels. It seemed to have a dead one on arrival but came back to life after a few days(is that possible?).

Thanks for that feedback!!

It sounds like the panel had what is known as a "stuck" pixel. These usually go away with time.

There is a great article on wikipedia that is very handy for anyone with a stuck pixel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuck_pixel

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I recently bought Kogan TV off e-bay. Whilst I would say they are not the best LCD TV but they are certainly value for money. The Manual could not better as they appear to put a single manuel for a few TVs.

Good buy/

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I recently bought Kogan TV off e-bay. Whilst I would say they are not the best LCD TV but they are certainly value for money. The Manual could not better as they appear to put a single manuel for a few TVs.

Good buy/

Thanks Yeung!

We know our manuals are in "Chinglish" - We are currently re-writing the user manual - it's going to be written by Aussies for Aussies!

I must stress that even though the user manual is not the most thorough, we offer phone support to all our customers to help them set up their TV and get the most out of it.

All the best!

Kogan

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Although some members disagree, I still beleive I have the best value LCD TVs in Australia - you can't compare a 42" LCD to a 46" LCD.

You can believe what you like, the facts show otherwise. Furthermore the units are selling for less on Ebay than what you think we should be paying for them.

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I think the easiest way to resolve any disputes is for Korgan to send me a 46" model to test on behalf of all forum members. I have no ties to either party so it's sound like the perfect idea! I’ll post my results in the next 12 months. Comprehensive testing required!!

On a slightly more serious note, it should be the punters that rave about the TV's not the owner. People appreciate your passion, but be careful about force feeding your opinion. :blink:

It will be the buyers not the owner that will make your panels a success!! Word of mouth can be a real ****!

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i bought one of 32inch lcds off www.zazz.com.au and love it, work great as a pc monitor and for digital tv.

my old man liked it too aswell and he bought a 46inch one off ebay and i am currently setting up a HTPC for him. atm hes not running digital through it, but he still thinks it looks great, hes actually started using his foxtel again, and at 2650 off ebay plus 160 for delivery it was a great deal.

were both happy, and i have no problems recommending them

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lol goto love all these joined today first posters with nothing but positive feedback :blink:, Kogan I see no reason not to believe you and if you made your tvs match current deals out there for 32 inch LCDS such as the Aiko and Sonigs for around $998-$1050 delivered and with say a 3 year warranty for piece of mind I could easily see you selling a shite load of your tvs, but if they are more expensive then going to a local store and purchasing one off the store shelf with ease of return if something goes wrong then your on a hiding to nothing and be pushing to sell any

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I bought a 32" to connect to windows media centre for my bedroom setup. Picture via the HDMI (or VGA) port is sweet. Ghosting is non-existant. Contrast and brightness are good.

A built-in digital tuner would be nice however i'm not worried, that's what my home theatre pc is for...

If you're a sony fanboy you won't look here...but if you appreciate bang for your buck, it's all good.

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I bought a 32" to connect to windows media centre for my bedroom setup. Picture via the HDMI (or VGA) port is sweet. Ghosting is non-existant. Contrast and brightness are good.

What is the black level like ?

How does it compare to other LCD's and CRT ?

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boss351, I agree the price they are selling for is rapidly becoming less competitive, especially when you consider the ease at which faulty products can be returned to larger retail outlets. I too have seen the fairly positive comments on the Aiko 32", Magnavox 32", AWA's (including the AWA 37 inch sets - not long ago for $1399.00).

I have no idea what the 'cost price' is for these for Kogan, but yeah when you consider delivery + extended warranty etc their value isn't quite as good especially if you purchase for $1100 - $1200.

Lets be fair here though, Kogan said he was going to ask if some purchasers would post their thoughts on here (and seeing as many average consumers wouldn't even be bothered reading a forum like this - not everyone is as 'into' av gear as some of us), I'm not going to get stuck into anyone because it's there first post. Hell, I read these forums for ages before I actually signed-up and started posting.

P.S. I hope they are all genuine customers though, hence my comments earlier about Kogan submitting some products for 'profesional' reviews.

I too, wouldn't mind knowing what the pixel policy is for the various Kogan lcd tv's.

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I received a brief PM from Kogan this afternoon in which he asked me the question,

"what is your problem?"

As I see it, Kogan is going beyond providing information on his LCD TV's and is engaging in blatant product marketing. This reached new depths today with this thread not long before the end of one of his Ebay auctions.

Also, some of his marketing information is false.

With regard to warranty (irrespective of length), it would be worth knowing whether it provided by a third party warranty provider and whether it remains valid if Kogan goes belly up.

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Geez you guys are a harsh crowd!

Nothing personal, but I guess we like to keep the forum fairly tidy and advert free, as per the forum guidelines.

Frankly, I've never seen a thread that after the first two pages contains 7 new members giving their first posts, all positive. Call me crazy...

My suggestion to Kogan. Invite some LCD gurus (not hard to find) from this forum who live in your city to a demo session, and let them report back. More cred to be gained than first time posters of uncertain origin. (again nothing personal against the posters).

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My suggestion to Kogan. Invite some LCD gurus (not hard to find) from this forum who live in your city to a demo session, and let them report back. More cred to be gained than first time posters of uncertain origin. (again nothing personal against the posters).

Top idea, if the product is as good as claimed, he should jump at this chance and expand his cusomer base.

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And if he was really serious the ability to have an adequate side by side demonstration, I mean really different TV's, I'll bring my own if he wants, from the same source, same connection etc...

If it really is so good, I'd be very interested in purchasing one, if it is really that good.

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If it really is so good, I'd be very interested in purchasing one, if it is really that good.

Thats what this thread is all about, if he took up on this offer and came up trumps, and our own experts here gave it the thumbs up, he could well more than double his turnover

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Thats what this thread is all about, if he took up on this offer and came up trumps, and our own experts here gave it the thumbs up, he could well more than double his turnover

At Kogan Technologies, we are always listening to customers about how we can improvie our product range.

Although we have an online business model, it sounds like you all want to see out HD TVs in action...this calls for:

Kogan Display Day

We will hire out a Melbourne CBD function centre and have our Kogan TVs connected to all sorts of HD inputs. (We'll also show off our new digital photo frames)

Melbourne based DTV forum members, come down for a look or bring your HD gear and compare it side by side to the Kogan.

At the end of the day, we'll auction off our 3 display units at 1 cent NO RESERVE to all attendees.

How does this sound to forum members? If the demand is there, I'll move quickly on the booking and will post event details.

RSVP??

Best wishes,

Kogan

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At Kogan Technologies, we are always listening to customers about how we can improvie our product range.

Although we have an online business model, it sounds like you all want to see out HD TVs in action...this calls for:

Kogan Display Day

We will hire out a Melbourne CBD function centre and have our Kogan TVs connected to all sorts of HD inputs. (We'll also show off our new digital photo frames)

Melbourne based DTV forum members, come down for a look or bring your HD gear and compare it side by side to the Kogan.

At the end of the day, we'll auction off our 3 display units at 1 cent NO RESERVE to all attendees.

How does this sound to forum members? If the demand is there, I'll move quickly on the booking and will post event details.

RSVP??

Best wishes,

Kogan

I would definitely be in that. I'm in the market currently for a 32" or thereabouts size screen, and while one can read till blue in the face, it's only when you see the screens 'in the flesh' that you get a feel for whether you'd like to actually use it.

As well as HD sources, if you could have one or more hooked up to a standard DVD player as well, that'd be great, as at 32" and with the gear I've already got, the only HD source I'd be viewing on one would be the Media PC I have, everything else (SD PVR and Pioneer DVD player) would be SD... so in large I'm interested in how well it displays SD content.

But yeah, sign me up right now! :blink:

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