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I had a look at it in Big W today. Refresh rate is 16MS. Said so on the screen.

It looks smaller somehow to the previous model.

I wonder if they fixed the contrast and DVI issues. The screen also looked a bit clearer too. They actually had it running on component cables but ofcourse in the wrong aspect ratio as usual. The knobs.

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I had a look at it in Big W today. Refresh rate is 16MS. Said so on the screen.

It looks smaller somehow to the previous model.

I wonder if they fixed the ... DVI issues.

What DVI issue?

I have the TFT-D81, but not using the DVI input at present. Is there something I should know about for when I get a DVI DVD player?

Cheers

Roger

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I had a look at the specification but its funny how they left out a refresh rate data

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. But going by the comments in the Acer thread, it appears that quoted refresh rates can be quite misleading. I haven't noticed the 'greasy faces' and obvious blurring on my AWA 81cm that some owners are seeing with the Acer. However, very fast panning can be uncomfortable on the eyes - so the AWA's speed is acceptable rather than great.

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What DVI issue?

I have the TFT-D81, but not using the DVI input at present. Is there something I should know about for when I get a DVI DVD player?

Cheers

Roger

Some people (including me) have noticed that the picture quality on dvi is not as good as the other connections.But i dont know if this is related to the panel or the awa stb.As i have noticed there are others using the dvi connection but have different stbs and are happy with the connection. :blink:

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we've had ours for a whole ummm....lets say 3 hours now..

I had it hooked up with the RCA/composite interface from our Toppy to the tv and it looked great!

Now I have just hooked it up with scart from the toppy to the y/pb/pr on the TV...still looks great, though the colours are a bit on the bright side, but I haven't tried adjusting any of that yet.

I did notice that the headphone jack is nowhere to be found and there doesn't appear to be an audio output anywhere....but according to those links the older model had audio outputs :S

I'll update more when I hook up and test the DVD and the Xbox :blink:

so far so good though :P

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OK, Xbox looks great going in through a regular AV connection, we've gotten around the lack of audio output by hooking all our audio in through an av switch box for now (our amp/home theatre thingy only has one audio input)

The DVD looks shite through the component input and it wouldn't work at all through the s-video but through the AV its fine... Toppy through the s-video was passable and perfect through component, so maybe its our cheap as old dvd?

Anyway, there is no sign of any dead pixels..though I haven't actually run a test cd at all.

The boys are hogging it for the xbox at the moment...looks great!

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Hi all,

Completely new to all this stuff so please bare with me. Liike most i have

also noticed this Awa 81cm LCD at Big W. My quetions / queries are as follows

Situation - I am looking at this as a television for our bedroom. Viewing would be tv and dvd only (through my pioneer DVR-320).

1) I want the best possible television picture i can get from this screen.

Which set top box should i buy? (Assume that I am best of with HD STB).

Which input do i use to plug in the STB? for best picture? Do i need to adjust any thing?

2) With DVD - again which input do i use? Reading this thread has me confused with some DVD issues due to inputs and dodgy pictures? We watch quite a few movies also so dvd quality is of importance.

Could i please have everyone comments and suggestions. Am i better of looking elsewhere eg. Not an LCD screen or not an AWA.

I have a budget of around 2-3k ?

Cheers

Scott

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I purchased the AWA 81cm LCD TV yesterday and i was just wondering if anyone could clear up a problem i seem to have with it.

I DON'T have a set top box therefore im just using the regular analogue tv reception. When watching it some of the picture quality doesnt look so great especially on wide angle shots i noticed when watching the football. The images seemed to be quite low in detail.

I wondered if it was just the AWA was a lower quality screen or perhaps its the analogue signal and if i get a set top box for digital the picture will be alot clearer and sharper?

Also does anyone run a Samsung DVD-VCR combo? When i try to run it via s-video or composite the unit wont switch to VCR for the TV reception on screen. It just keeps the dvd image on screen even though the DVD unit says VCR. It works fine if i run it through AV cables.

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I purchased the AWA 81cm LCD TV yesterday and i was just wondering if anyone could clear up a problem i seem to have with it.

I DON'T have a set top box therefore im just using the regular analogue tv reception. When watching it some of the picture quality doesnt look so great especially on wide angle shots i noticed when watching the football. The images seemed to be quite low in detail.

I wondered if it was just the AWA was a lower quality screen or perhaps its the analogue signal and if i get a set top box for digital the picture will be alot clearer and sharper?

Also does anyone run a Samsung DVD-VCR combo? When i try to run it via s-video or composite the unit wont switch to VCR for the TV reception on screen. It just keeps the dvd image on screen even though the DVD unit says VCR. It works fine if i run it through AV cables.

1) Definitely get a set top box, not merely for improving reception but also for widescreen pictures.

2) Most VCRs only output composite video...

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I realise that a set top box will give a better quality picture.

I just wanted to know if what im experiencing is normal for a LCD TV with analog signal. Or should the picture look just as clear as an old CRT TV while watching analog on a LCD?

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I went out yesterday and bought the AWA 81cm LCD for $1773 from Big W. I've been looking at the Philips 32PF9966 ($3470) for a while now and had a play with the Benq DV3250 ($2200) last weekend.

Before I bought I asked to test a few DVD's on it, experienced some jitter but only on opening credits...you know the Dreamworks logo (see later Camera Panning issue). Be careful of Big W return policy, they will NOT refund, even if faulty. They will only repair.

Overall, I couldn't justify the additional $ for the benefits gained by the Philips and even the additional $500 for the Benq. Yes, of course the Philips picture & connections are superior and the Benq has better connections than the AWA. In terms of looks, the AWA isn't too bad, it's comparable to the Benq.

Anyway, I'm am happy with the purchase. Excellent value for money. Smearing does occur, but only when the camera pans. So when the camera is stationary with fast moving objects on the screen, like planes, cars etc - the picture is perfect, however, if the actual camera is panning around, then the picture becomes blurry/smears. So watching the cricket yesterday, when the camera is still showing the bowler and batsmen - it's fine, but when the ball is hit and the camera follows it, the smearing of the grass occurs and it looks all smudgy green, until the camera stops, then there is a 1/4 second delay until the picture looks great again. I have it connected to a Toppy via Component (576i)

I tried the DVD player with Progressive Scan on and watched Star Wars - it was a fantastic picture, crystal clear, up there with the $4k TV's. Didn't see any smearing (576p) - Progressive Scan appears to be the answer at this stage of my findings.

Haven't tried the PS2 yet, but should imagine an excellent picture too as no camera panning occurs in the majority of games.

Did try the Laptop (using VGA, not DVI) and WOW! What a display? Can't wait to replace it and have this screen in the study! Unbelievable quality.

So in summary, downside is that it has only 1 component, 1 S-Video, 2 A/Vs, 1 VGA, 1 DVI, and worse still is that you can only have connected either the Component or S-Video at any one time....reason being is that they share the same audio input! Can you believe that?

Picture great when using PC, should imagine PS2 too.

Only weaknesses are Camera panning, 1 Component Connection and non-detachable no-bass speakers.

Topfield works without a hitch. Spoke to AWA this morning and he said that HD TV is awesome on it, you must use Component Video to connect anything as S-Video is noticeably worse on screen. So buy a Component Switching box to have multiple sources connected (got one already and it is connected).

Hope this helps. Go buy, look at it this way, in 6 months time you have only wasted $1750 rather than $4000 as the technology moves on. In which case you have an excellent widescreen for your PC!

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Hope this helps.  Go buy, look at it this way, in 6 months time you have only wasted $1750 rather than $4000 as the technology moves on.  In which case you have an excellent widescreen for your PC!

^^ that's how I see it. I'm picking one up this week. Thanks for the post, it was useful.

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If your looking at this one also look at the Soniq 81cm LCD at JB HIFI, it is a Samsung panel, but it is 8ms response... List price is $1,990, but I think you could probably get them to match the BigW price if you tried... ;-)

P.S. I haven't noticed any smearing on the Soniq (maybe due to the 8ms vs 16ms response times), best to check in a store yourself though...

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Some people (including me) have noticed that the picture quality on dvi is not as good as the other connections.But i dont know if this is related to the panel or the awa stb.As i have noticed there are others using the dvi connection but have different stbs and are happy with the connection. :blink:

I'm completely new to all of this but I'm going to share my thoughts anyway (after about 16 hours of mucking around):

i bought the awa hd set top box from BigW also (W620HD) to go with the 81cm AWA LCD tv.

The tv is OK but the AWA hd set top has problems: poor DVI output and menus that stop functioning after a while, requiring a power cycle. So I took the hd set top box back and got a refund.

Then I bought a Hotchip OH4000D from JB hi-fi ($300). The DVI output at 1080i is great (although in DVI input mode, the tv only has a single "contrast" adjustment that actually seems to be brightness, and no colour adjustment -- luckily this isn't an issue).

Component output at 1080i gives a purple flickering on the AWA 81cm tv. (I think this may be a problem with the tv as it could not display the 1080i signal from the awa hd set top box either).

I have had a few weird frame rate slow downs in HD mode with this box although I haven't quite put my finger on when or how to make it occur.

So i'm 99% happy with this setup, and for a tightarse like myself, it's pretty exciting to see it outperform some much more expensive setups i've seen (and use dv all the way to the panel!).

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I'm completely new to all of this but I'm going to share my thoughts anyway (after about 16 hours of mucking around):

i bought the awa hd set top box from BigW also (W620HD) to go with the 81cm AWA LCD tv.

The tv is OK but the AWA hd set top has problems: poor DVI output and menus that stop functioning after a while, requiring a power cycle. So I took the hd set top box back and got a refund.

Then I bought a Hotchip OH4000D from JB hi-fi ($300). The DVI output at 1080i is great (although in DVI input mode, the tv only has a single "contrast" adjustment that actually seems to be brightness, and no colour adjustment -- luckily this isn't an issue).

Component output at 1080i gives a purple flickering on the AWA 81cm tv. (I think this may be a problem with the tv as it could not display the 1080i signal from the awa hd set top box either).

I have had a few weird frame rate slow downs in HD mode with this box although I haven't quite put my finger on when or how to make it occur.

So i'm 99% happy with this setup, and for a tightarse like myself, it's pretty exciting to see it outperform some much more expensive setups i've seen (and use dv all the way to the panel!).

update: OH4000D slow downs are caused when the signal is severely disrupted (we have a crap aerial and planes flying overhead can cause this) and you need to power cycle the box (not a big problem).

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I now have one of these screens, thanks to the promotion in this forum :)

I'm very happy with the picture quality, though I tend to notice some blurring in DVDs. I put that down to my very, very old DVD player though (some might call me an "early adopter" or even "a bit funny in the head" for paying $1300 for a DVD player ;). TV, even analogue off the aerial using a VHS receiver, is very clear.

I want to hook up a MythTV box running Linux. My question is what X11 modelines I should use for it. Does anyone have any suggestions? The only specs I have for the thing are the resolution, 1366x768 - I have no idea what the vertical / horizontal refresh rate could or would be.

Any hints welcome :)

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I am work and cannot have a look at my Component Switching box right now.

However, JVC sell one in Australia, I think it's called JVC-111 - it's not remote control though.

Mine is remote controlled and was bought from Videoguys great PQ. Beware if you also have a Toppy PVR as the Toppy remote for volume up/down also switches the component input!!!

It has 4 component in and 2 out which is nice if you also have a projector to feed.

It also handles audio.

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Hi,

  can you guys suggest a AV spliiter/reciever so I can input multiple component cables into the awa? I have some free time today so I can head out to check things out.

Bob

I have a av reciever for my audio needs ,so wanted an inexpensive way of doing this,went to dick smiths bought a radio shack composite switching box($40) they do have cheaper but liked the look of this one.Plugged in the component plugs into the box ,match the colours other ends and voila works like a dream.Its not remote control but it is on top of the dvd player which you have to put a disc in anyways(so you have to get up anyway).Its simple for my wife and kids ,just press 1 for hdtv or press 2 for dvd.It also remedys the need for switching the av channel which is slow and annoying cycling through all of them.Happy Chappy!!!!!!! :blink:

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Got the Big-W catalog today, the 81cm LCD is now $1730 - wonder what these things will cost in 12 months?

It appears to be the Dectron DL32-GOOP. Still has the LG/Philips panel. This model sports a headphone output jack but otherwise changes from the original AWA model appear to be mainly cosmetic.

Hi Tobes (or anyone who recently bought the new AWA 81 cm lcd tv),

I bought one (the new one not the old model) myself two weeks ago from Big W Sunshine (VIC) but I couldn't find the HEADPHONE OUTPUT JACK! It's a minor thing but anyone out there who has it?

Regards to all

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I want to hook up a MythTV box running Linux. My question is what X11 modelines I should use for it. Does anyone have any suggestions? The only specs I have for the thing are the resolution, 1366x768 - I have no idea what the vertical / horizontal refresh rate could or would be.

Oops, forgot to clarify this.

So I hooked it up and tried to set up a 1360x768 modeline for about an hour. In the end I reverted to just a 1280x768 mode to see if I could tweak up to 1360 from there... and the damn TV is perfectly happy with a 1280x768 default mode, but it reports it as 1360x768 in the OSD. If I reboot, the 320x200 boot screen is *also* reported as 1360x768, so there's something very funny going on in the TV's innards.

This is all over a DVI connection.

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I bought one (the new one not the old model) myself two weeks ago from Big W Sunshine (VIC) but I couldn't find the HEADPHONE OUTPUT JACK! It's a minor thing but anyone out there who has it?

Can't find one on mine, nor any mention in the manual. I think it was included in error on the Dectron website. Perhaps they used the specs from some previous/other model as a template and forgot to remove it.

Grant

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Hi guys, this is my first post on the forum. So first of all, 'gday' everyone

Now, lets to business

I am looking to buy a LCD TV for my bedroom. Preferable size wood be 26 inch.

I've come down to two TVs, the AWA and the Soniq

I leaning towards the AWA 26 inch LCD TV @ BigW, priced at $1298

This seems to be a good buy, but i have a few questions:

Some say that the AWA is shocking for ANALOGUE tv. Is this true

Im living in Melbourne, Flemington area and the reception isn't the best, especially SBS. Is the AWA going to be very unforgiving for bad aerial reception?

Also, you guys mention smearing and blurring, etc. Can a set top box fix all this? And if so, which box works best with the AWA

Im sorry if these questions seem stupid, but im fairly new in the business, so bare with me.

I wood appreciate any comments

Thanks, Kevin

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Oh and another thing, it wood be gr8 if you guys can post any forum links that are related to the AWA or SONIQ tvs. I could do some extra researching before making my decision tommorrow

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Kluc

If you're going to take the plunge into digital TV I reckon you're best to get yourself a set top box as well, otherwise you're really only watching the same signal you used to get, but on a spiffy new tv. If you stick with the anologue signal you'll only be able to get a signal in 4:3 aspect ratio, and although your new set will be able to zoom in or distort the image to fill the screen, who wants that? In fact it's really rather strange that most sets include an anologue tuner. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum that uses it.

I have the 81cm AWA and am very happy with it apart from a bit of banding which I think is intereference, but have not yet tracked down. I've got it coupled to a Hotchip ODT4000HD using a DVI cable and the results are WAY better than anything anologue. With regard to your reception, the better your signal the better off you will be, but generally if you get a decent anologue signal you should be alright. Check out the antenna section of this forum.

Good luck with your decision and welcome to the club

Grant

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I have the AWA 26" screen from when they were first released.....

It was all of 1 week before I gave up on the analogue transmission and bought a HD STB (LCDs don't respond well to analogue inputs).

It is a Teac BVB-800 via DVI and the picture quality is stunning.

However now I hardly even use the Teac now as I have a Toppy (Via Component and the DVD player via the Toppy passthru) and the functionality is more than enough to compensate for the drop in PQ.

Two things to consider;

1) Get a DTFA tuner (STB or PVR) as the PQ and Sound is a huge improvement

2) Get your antenna tuned/replaced to optimise DFTA reception as this will also make a big difference. (particularly if reception is marginal in your area)

I am more than happy with my AWA as a stop-gap until the newer 1080i/p screens come onto the market and drop in price (Hmmmmm SED).

Cheers.

Peter

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Thanks for all the gr8 replies. It's been really helpful. I think i've made my decision. The AWA for sure!

Now what i want to know is whether i should buy now or wait till christmas? How do u think the price will move? Do you think that the AWAs will stay on the shelves or will it dissappear?

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It's just like the computer you're using right now, as new technology is developed the prices will continue to drop. You could wait until Christmas and the price may be less and there will probably be more products on the market, but the same issue will apply, do you buy then or wait until Easter, or next September. There's talk about a glut of panels on the market and maybe that will make for a significant drop in prices, but then again we have oil issues and transport costs look like they will go up.

I was of the opinion that if I kept waiting I would always be waiting, so I took the plunge (actually the real clincher was gaining approval from she who must be obeyed) and have no regrets.

The 26 inch AWA has been available off and on for most of the year, so you could reasonably expect that it would continue to be in the stores. Further it looks like Big W are selling as many LCD tvs as they can get so I wouldn't panic in that regard. Ultimately it's up to you.

Let us know how you go Kluc,

Cheers

Grant

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Thanks for all the gr8 help guys. Much appreciated. I went into BigW today, with the intention of buying the AWA 81cm TV. Only one problem now, they had two models on display. I cant One was "AWA TFT-D81" and the other was "AWA TFT-D81G". One appears to be bigger than the other. My question is which one do i buy? Which one is actually better?

Thanks, Kevin

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I went out yesterday and bought the AWA 81cm LCD for $1773 from Big W.  I've been looking at the Philips 32PF9966 ($3470) for a while now and had a play with the Benq DV3250 ($2200) last weekend.

Before I bought I asked to test a few DVD's on it, experienced some jitter but only on opening credits...you know the Dreamworks logo (see later Camera Panning issue).  Be careful of Big W return policy, they will NOT refund, even if faulty.  They will only repair.

Overall, I couldn't justify the additional $ for the benefits gained by the Philips and even the additional $500 for the Benq.  Yes, of course the Philips picture & connections are superior and the Benq has better connections than the AWA.  In terms of looks, the AWA isn't too bad, it's comparable to the Benq.

Anyway, I'm am happy with the purchase.  Excellent value for money.  Smearing does occur, but only when the camera pans.  So when the camera is stationary with fast moving objects on the screen, like planes, cars etc  - the picture is perfect, however, if the actual camera is panning around, then the picture becomes blurry/smears.  So watching the cricket yesterday, when the camera is still showing the bowler and batsmen - it's fine, but when the ball is hit and the camera follows it, the smearing of the grass occurs and it looks all smudgy green, until the camera stops, then there is a 1/4 second delay until the picture looks great again.  I have it connected to a Toppy via Component (576i)

I tried the DVD player with Progressive Scan on and watched Star Wars - it was a fantastic picture, crystal clear, up there with the $4k TV's.  Didn't see any smearing (576p) - Progressive Scan appears to be the answer at this stage of my findings.

Haven't tried the PS2 yet, but should imagine an excellent picture too as no camera panning occurs in the majority of games.

Did try the Laptop (using VGA, not DVI) and WOW!  What a display?  Can't wait to replace it and have this screen in the study!  Unbelievable quality.

So in summary, downside is that it has only 1 component, 1 S-Video, 2 A/Vs, 1 VGA, 1 DVI, and worse still is that you can only have connected either the Component or S-Video at any one time....reason being is that they share the same audio input!  Can you believe that?

Picture great when using PC, should imagine PS2 too.

Only weaknesses are Camera panning, 1 Component Connection and non-detachable no-bass speakers.

Topfield works without a hitch.  Spoke to AWA this morning and he said that HD TV is awesome on it, you must use Component Video to connect anything as S-Video is noticeably worse on screen.  So buy a Component Switching box to have multiple sources connected (got one already and it is connected).

Hope this helps.  Go buy, look at it this way, in 6 months time you have only wasted $1750 rather than $4000 as the technology moves on.  In which case you have an excellent widescreen for your PC!

I bought the 66cm AWA LCD TV from BigW @ @1298 for one week.

Watching the Analogue TV has no problem (note u have to tune the Color Saturation from default 50% to 20%).

I do not notice any Blur with fast moving objects across the screen except the camera is moving around as mentioned by Steven above.

Although The Narrator's face is a little bit greasy in ABC News. I do not find it happen on other channels (eg. Ch 7 , Ch 9 , Ch 10).

Watching DVD is good with natual Colour and Contrast using the Component input. There is no difference between 576i and 576p as my TEAC DVD player can change the component out between 576i and 576p.

Playing PS2 TV games using the AV2 input is better than watching it from my old CRT TV. The objects are much clearer since the LCD TV resolution is higher . U can't see any Flickering (happened in CRT TV because of the Vertical Blanking Interval).

I am still searching for a DB15 SVGA cable to connect my PC to the LCD TV to see how good is it to play the PC games.

So far , I am happy with this TV even it is not perfect.

Something Decktron (AWA) may need to improve is the long switching time between different inputs . U have to wait for at least 3 sec. to change the input selection mode from one to another. Eg. from TV to Component , u have to go through TV -> AV1 -> AV2 -> SVideo -> Component and it takes totally 12 sec.

-ricky321-

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Thanks for all the gr8 help guys. Much appreciated. I went into BigW today, with the intention of buying the AWA 81cm TV. Only one problem now, they had two models on display. I cant One was "AWA TFT-D81" and the other was "AWA TFT-D81G". One appears to be bigger than the other. My question is which one do i buy? Which one is actually better?

Thanks, Kevin

What did you decided on and why?

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The Decktron Web Site has been updated with new TV specification.

Note that the 37', 32", 26" LCD TV are all have 16mS response time.

http://www.decktron.com/english/product/lcd.htm

Also, the LG_Philips LCD panel specification can be found from

http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/homeContain/j.../prd100_j_e.jsp

After watching the 26" LCD TV for 2 weeks, I notice that the display is OK for normal motion of objects.

However, if the object (eg. the Actor) occupy more than 1/3 of screen size , when he or she moves horizontally from one side to the other across the screen quickly, I notice the moving object will be flickering. The flickering is similar to watching a CRT TV. I have tried using 576i and 576p or composite, it is still the same.

I still do not understand the root cause since the LCD TV should not have any Vertical Blanking Interval. And in therory , it should not flicker.

From the Decktron Specification, I also notice that the 42" model are all equipped with

"Motion Adaptive De-Interlace"

"Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction"

" Edge Smooth"

"DLTI/DCTI"

functionality.

Can anyone confirm that these will help to Alleviate the flickering effect on fast moving objects across the screen ?

-ricky321-

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