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My dilemma - get a really good quality 4:3 (68cm) CRT or a 16:9 (76cm).

My wish list:

- Progressive scan

- 100Hz

- Component input (or better)

I am leaning towards a top quality 68cm than a good quality 76.

The Toshiba 29AZ8UA is their flagship 68cm and it meets the wish list, as well as having a really good quality picture when compared against similar competitor models (I only know this because I saw it in Singapre as nobody seems to stock this TV in OZ)

Interestingly, this TV seems to be maketed (on the shop level) as "HD Ready" although I am not entirely certain how?? Would a HDSTB show a better quality picture than a SDSTB on this TV?

Has anybody had experience with this model, or can recommend an alternative

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Techie_Mark

You have to ask yourself a few more questions.

How important is prog scan and hd compatibility?

If it is important consider the sony kvhx32m31 or the toshiba 32sw8ua.

Both can be had for around the 2k mark have prog scan, 100hz, hd compatible and component inputs.

If not the loewe xelos only sd but will accept component via scart, stb via rgb and one other device via svid or composite. Link below.

http://www.internationaldynamics.com.au/in...03pop.asp?id=13

I am having the same dilema at the moment and these are the three tv's i will audition.

You will not notice much difference viewind a hd signal compared to a sd signal on a 68cm 4:3 or a 76cm 16:9. It all depends on your viewing distance and resolution of the display device.

I hope this helped.

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Unless you're thinking of buying a cheap second TV under $400, there's no real point in getting a 4:3 TV. As virtually all prime time programming is 16:9, a 68cm 4:3 is not going to display a very big picture (80cm tellies are a slightly different story; however, most are not HD). In short, the Toshiba, like all 4:3 sets, is obsolescent and you are putting the cart before the horse if you put technological gewgaws ahead of its ability to display a good 16:9 image at your preferred picture size (which appears to be 76cm).

The TV you mention is called 'HD Ready' because it can do 576p (a definition of HD unique to Australia).

The Sony mentioned by Daywalker can do proper 1080i and 720p HD. Keep saving till you can afford one (or buy a cheaper HD set such as a Palsonic if you can't).

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You will not notice much difference viewind a hd signal compared to a sd signal on a 68cm 4:3 or a 76cm 16:9. It all depends on your viewing distance and resolution of the display device.

TechieMark,

I agree entirely with SamuelOwens. And the second sentence (highlight in red) is the critical one:

Any program (SD or HD) will look a lot 'crisper' on a Toshiba 32sw8ua, Panasonic 76pw200a, Sony kvhx32 or Palsonic/Omni 76WSHD than on a Loewe SD TV or any other 'HD ready' TV on the market. (FWIW, I have listed the options in my order of PQ preference - Palsonic is only last because I haven't seen it).

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Thanks all for the feedabck.

I kindof expected a bit of negative feedback with the 4:3 set, but at the end of the day it is a big jump from 29AZ8UA at $1699rrp and the 32SW8UA at $3299rrp. I know these are only RRP, but I doubt the street price on the 32SW8UA would be $2K.. or would it?

My preference (bias) is the Toshiba set too. After wanting the 29" (68cm) for so long, I have really grown an apprteciation for the picture quality of the Toshiba sets.. the picture is so much more true to life than any other Jap brand. The skin tones are accurate and the colours not so bright.

I will inevitably have a look at the SONY unit too now that it has been mentioned and make a direct comparison.. will report back!

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With the Tosh 32" displays, how does the 32SW8UA compare with the 32SW9UA in real world terms? Any experiences here?

I must say though that I am disappointed that neither seem to be 100Hz... something the 29AZ8UA has over them!!

From what Alebonau has posted elsewhere, the only difference with the sw9ua is a card reader. The PQ looks identical to my eyes - including a slight colour flaw that I have seen on both, which you would never notice (and neither would I if it was on its own).

100Hz is only used with the inbuilt analogue tuner and composite or s-video inputs. Component and RGB have their own timings (eg. 576i@50Hz) that [usually] can't be over-ridden with ANY display. (Some expert will correct me if I'm wrong about this).

Ian

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Have you taken leave of your senses?

It's the wrong shape, and the problem will be exactly the same on the Toshiba 4:3! Only, you won't be able to display 1080i and 720p and you will have black bars eating up screen real estate on virtually all TV viewing except ABC news.

Go and get a HD set top box and a progressive scan DVD player which outputs 576p and this won't be an issue.

Sigh...

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Have you taken leave of your senses?

It's the wrong shape, and the problem will be exactly the same on the Toshiba 4:3! Only, you won't be able to display 1080i and 720p and you will have black bars eating up screen real estate on virtually all TV viewing except ABC news.

Go and get a HD set top box and a progressive scan DVD player which outputs 576p and this won't be an issue.

Sigh...

This is getting my vote for the "DBA Post Of The Year" award!!! :P:blink:

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Techie Mark,

I've had the toshiba 32SW9UA for 5 days now and there's no way I'd be going back to 4:3. This box is over your budget but I'd recommend saving up.

The picture quality from ordinary sources eg fox via composite is surprisingly very good.

PQ from DVD and teac DVB420 via component is awesome.

This box can also easily handle HD source but unavailable to my area at the moment. I used the THX video display assistant at the end of "Finding Nemo" and turned off the digital hyper mode and other noise reduction.

This is highly recommended for a picture that will satisfy the most fastidious tube watcher!

Dave :blink:

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The picture is improved with the extra processing switched off. There can be all sorts of extras built into TVs eg edge enhancement, sharpness and I find it better (and other smart punters) to minimise or switch off entirely.

The digital hyper caused some blurring on Fox. Joy on Nick Jnr (OK I've got two toddlers) wears a red long sleeve t-shirt and at one time when she was waving her arms the blurring was significant. Turned off and set to 100Hz blurring gone.

The picture in the store is not comparable to the final memory settings that you can achieve at home after calibrating with the THX set up. I have not even finished with this disc at the colour settings have only been done by skin tones. The later 16:9 stuff looked OK at the time but I may later go back and fine tune if necessary.

You should be able to get the box for about 3K but other hagglers have done better. I couldn't be bothered as I just wanted to get home and watch TV. I am not a price sensitive shopper. PQ, dimensions and user friendliness were higher on my list.

I believe that other 76ers can be discounted further as the Toshiba's list price is not much over 2.5K making discounting difficult. The 9UA also in my area is found at Myer. Even Myer has to make profit somewhere.

Dave :blink:

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If you are using 100hz, I assume you're not using the component video inputs then, since it seems these are timed at 50/60HZ (from what I have read on these forums)

Where is this "THX" setup found.. is this on the end of the Nemo DVD, or a specialist disc?

Can it be used with Any TV?

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If you are using 100hz, I assume you're not using the component video inputs then, since it seems these are timed at 50/60HZ (from what I have read on these forums)

I'm using component from STB and composite for fox and DVD....from the owner's manual

"To select scan mode

100Hz : Reducing the field flicker

D-Hyper : Reproducing the dense picture by Digital Hyper

Note

The SCAN MODE  and DNR (digital noise reduction) do not display when 480i,480p,576p,720p or 1080i signal is received."

Where is this "THX" setup found.. is this on the end of the Nemo DVD, or a specialist disc?

It's in the "Find Nemo" menu and I think it's on several others inc Star Wars, Aladdin & probably more.

Can it be used with Any TV?

Most modern TVs have contrast, brightness, colour and sharpness settings.

I wish you all the best of luck Mark

Dave :blink:

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I had a look at the TVs in Dick Smith today (as I was walking past).

I noticed that for just over $1K the TEAC EU3216STF had a very good quality picture. By this I mean, a crisp image, natural skin tones, and no noticable flicker or ghosting.

While it is not on par with the Toshiba units of the same size, neither is the price.. by a factor of 3 times in fact!! The rep said that the new TEAC models (notably those with the dark coloured speakers) are good quality. At around $1K I saw no reason to disagree.

So here is my Video setup so far...

TEAC EU3216STF 76cm Widescreen TV w/ Component input (SD) ~$1050

Nextwave 3200 Digital STB (SD) ~$250 (est?)

Now for the DVD player.. hmm.. I guess it should be progressive scan, even though the TV isn't HD or much too fancy. Also must have good connections to match my new(ish) AV Receiver.

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The Pioneer DV676A is looking promising to complete the setup. PAL Progressive, DVD-A and other nice things... mmmm toys..

Either that, or the Toshiba SD530E because I have heard that the Toshiba DVD players have a better "zoom" feature, where you can progressively step the image size to taste (i.e. ideal compromise between screen area and video loss).

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I had a look at the TVs in Dick Smith today (as I was walking past).

I noticed that for just over $1K the TEAC EU3216STF had a very good quality picture. By this I mean, a crisp image, natural skin tones, and no noticable flicker or ghosting.

While it is not on par with the Toshiba units of the same size, neither is the price.. by a factor of 3 times in fact!! The rep said that the new TEAC models (notably those with the dark coloured speakers) are good quality. At around $1K I saw no reason to disagree.

So here is my Video setup so far...

TEAC EU3216STF 76cm Widescreen TV w/ Component input (SD) ~$1050

Nextwave 3200 Digital STB (SD) ~$250 (est?)

Now for the DVD player.. hmm.. I guess it should be progressive scan, even though the TV isn't HD or much too fancy. Also must have good connections to match my new(ish) AV Receiver.

The cheaper Teacs are not progressive scan. However, the curved screen model below the flat screen comes with a free STB by redemption. For c. $900, you will be able to kick back with this set up for a couple of years and watch as flat panel prices continue to plummet...

However, a lot of punters here swear by (and a few swear at) the Palsonic 76cm HD set, which can be had for under $1500. It will have progressive scan and the ability to display 720p and 1080i. Mate it with a Thomson set top box and enjoy.

Or, there's a deal at Strathfield where you can get a HD set and a decent HD STB for $1499. Not sure what telly it is by the STB is a Hydef which is rated favourably here...

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Strathfield (car radios) only ever sold one flavour of electonics.. cheap, cheap, and even when you thought it couldn't get any cheaper - loopk a SUBWOOFER for $8 !! It seemed like it was too good to be true.. and it was. Mind you, those subwoofers in no time, but that's not my thing.

The disappointing thing is that Strathfield had, up until 5 years ago built a reputable name for themselves as good car stereo installers (probably when it was just the STRATHFIELD store) .. since then, it has gone to ruin and dragged a lot of the car stereo industry down with it, becasue "If I can get a subwoofer for $8 at Stratfield, why should I pay $200, or $500+ for one elsewhere"

Samuel, thanks for your very funny post earlier in this thread, and in fact I second the vote for post of the year, but I have to say that on this occasion you have gone completely mad!!

As tempting as it is to buy the cheapest of cheap from Strathfield, I continually resist the flashy ads and "too good to be true" deals, as they most often are when you take a step back. Now, I go into Strathfield for a laugh and look at all the new Chinese brands that they have this month, and never to be seen again. Just look at their DVD players for goodness sake!!

RANT RANT RANT.... The Point is:

I would rather buy a 'good' quality SD set than a 'below average' HD set.

The good SD set will last 10 years.. the Strathfield HD set will last 13 months.. just enough to get through the warranty period.. if you are lucky.

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Strathfield is pretty rubbish I agree. However, it is a cheap option for the brave and/or foolhardy and even if it only lasts 12 months, the prices of flat panels will probably fall by more than the cost of that setup.

People have reported getting the Thomson set top box for about $500 and the Palsonic for under $1500. There are lots of threads on here about the Palsonic attesting to its reliability. Interestingly, the Palsonic has a Toshiba tube in it. A link to the big Palsonic thread outlining its pros and cons...

I myself have gone down the el cheapo SD route with an RCA widescreen and original Thomson 1352 set top box - for $1200 12 months ago, this setup meets my needs just fine (no real HD in Canberra, so no compelling urge to buy a HD set while prices are falling so fast)

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Glad you agree.. my logic is the same as yours.. buy SD now, and wait for

i) HD monitor prices to plumet

ii) HD monitor manufacture quality and reliability to increase

iii) HD technology to mature

iv) HD content, esp on FTA being more common, more available and higher quality.

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As much as I love Toshiba, and think they are at the forefront in a lot of current home theatre technology, I would not make a purchase decision on a (cheap) TV because it has 'a toshiba tube in it'

Sure, they make some top quality gear, but they also make some low-end gear to cater for the bottom end of the market. If you think the Toshiba tube in a $800 widescreen is the same as that in their $2.5K widescreen, you're kidding yourself.

Unfortunately to compete in the low-end of the home theatre market today, you have to go so low that the end result is often woeful and I don't blame Toshiba from distancing themselves from these products.

I wasn't too impressed with the "DSE" branded widescreen on display at Dick Smith Electonics the other day, in fact it was definately the poorest quality.

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The pain is almost over.

The setup I have decided on:

TV: TEAC EU3216STF (arriving end of Nov)

DVD: Pioneer DV676A

STB: Torn between NextWave and Topfield.

I am also ordering a bunch of Monster Cables, including the MonsterVideo3 Component. I am ordering these from Ebay (US) since the Australian prices are unrealistic.

Hopefully at the end of the day, I should have a reasonable quality setup, including widescreen TV for less than $2K.

Thanks all for your feedback and advice along the way.

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I would rather buy a 'good' quality SD set than a 'below average' HD set.

The good SD set will last 10 years.. the Strathfield HD set will last 13 months.. just enough to get through the warranty period.. if you are lucky.

Couldnt agree more. Get a German made widescreen SD set and you'll never regret it. Look in the tradingpost and you will ocasionally see Grundig/Loewe TV's in the same price range.

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