pietro1503559499 Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 I know we've done this topic to death. But the quality of the ABC's SD transmission is so good, and so much of it is in WS, that it's just ridiculous for the news and current affairs to be still 4:3 (or is it 14:9?) Maybe after the election? Anyone taking bets?
BlueDusk Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 It is going to go WS, but I think they're just waiting for a ceremonious date to launch WS news, eg 01/01/2005.
Wired1503559622 Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 I heard (from these forums) that news and CAF would go 16:9 1st Jan '05 when every news centre is widescreen.
genx Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 I agree 16:9 get with it guys... there coveage of lawn bowls is in WS SBS also lack in studio 16:9
rochford Posted September 27, 2004 Posted September 27, 2004 SBS also lack in studio 16:9<{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Movie Show is in 16:9. - Miles.
Jimmy Posted September 27, 2004 Posted September 27, 2004 Speaking of the movie show, the PQ is so terrible i reckon they are just using 4:3 cameras and then chopping it and zooming in to a 16:9 frame. This could be totally wrong, but i've often thought it looked terrible.
pneu Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 Speaking of the movie show, the PQ is so terrible i reckon they are just using 4:3 cameras and then chopping it and zooming in to a 16:9 frame. This could be totally wrong, but i've often thought it looked terrible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would agree, it does look a bit lower quality, but not HUGELY I don't think. Who knows what they are doing. The quality of SD varies a lot in my opinion so theres no point in complaining about any of it. It's beyond our control!
genx Posted September 29, 2004 Posted September 29, 2004 I agree 16:9 get with it guys... there coveage of lawn bowls is in WS SBS also lack in studio 16:9 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SBS world news, the world game is not etc etc?
'ct' Posted September 30, 2004 Posted September 30, 2004 You should all be pleasantly surprised to see SBS World News being presented in 16:9 as of Friday October 1, thus leaving the ABC as the only metro station still doing daily 4:3 news bulletins. ct
kenneth1503559512 Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 You should all be pleasantly surprised to see SBS World News being presented in 16:9 as of Friday October 1, thus leaving the ABC as the only metro station still doing daily 4:3 news bulletins.ct <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not surprised because you posted it here but it is offical. ABC is going to be the last station (not including regional's) to broadcast 16:9 news. Good work SBS.
yarraw Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 SBS is now broadcasting news in widesceen with a fraction of the fundaing ABC recieves. Come on ABC, its about time to go widescreen with news and current affairs.
kootaberra Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 abc could have in most states gone 16:9 years ago, and all states 6 months ago. At least they are finally starting to shoot file footage in 16:9 and centrecutting for air. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In this case its not that simple. If you know what has happened with the ABC over the last few years you would have a better idea of the delay. Both Sydney and Melbourne have relocated thier studios etc. Perth is in the proccess now. Part of these moves is to digitise the new buildings. All cameras (field & studio) are now 16:9/4:3 switchable. But until ALL capital cities are fully digital, it makes going fully 16:9 a bit hard, I will agree there is a some misunderstanding of wide screen with editing. The camera people are fine with 16:9 or 4:3. The main problem is the ABC moves a hell of a lot of stories around Australia, some being edited in one place and airing in all capital cities. On top of this 99% of overseas footage is 4:3, so to go 16:9 will mean a lot of ACR conforming 4:3 incoming, archive footage etc. The date has been set and it is new year when ALL of the ABC will go 16:9 at the same time. Yes some camera people are shooting some 16:9 base footage. Don't forget when I say ALL of the ABC, remember there are a lot of ABC cameras over seas as well. SBS is in a similar posistion, but they only have one main studio if I'm correct. This makes going over to 16:9 much easier. To change the ABC news over to 16:9 at a reasonable cost is hard. What I mean here is not the cameras, but aditional equipment such as ARCs etc. Yes you throw millions at the problem, but as part owners the public might prefer a more prudent approach. Also I think the news department is tring to ensure that when they go to 16:9, there will be a minimum of "wrong aspects" to air. In this they have been working on the logistics of the move since about July/August.
John_Barber Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 In this case its not that simple. If you know what has happened with the ABC over the last few years you would have a better idea of the delay..... Also I think the news department is tring to ensure that when they go to 16:9, there will be a minimum of "wrong aspects" to air. In this they have been working on the logistics of the move since about July/August. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What, you don't just snap your fingers and everything is 16:9, how strange !!!! JB
kootaberra Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 In this case its not that simple. If you know what has happened with the ABC over the last few years you would have a better idea of the delay. .... Also I think the news department is tring to ensure that when they go to 16:9, there will be a minimum of "wrong aspects" to air. In this they have been working on the logistics of the move since about July/August. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What, you don't just snap your fingers and everything is 16:9, how strange !!!! JB <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do I detect cynicism in your quote? How strange I feel the same!
Digicruiser Posted October 6, 2004 Posted October 6, 2004 Oh well, Christmas isn't that far away so we can wait can't we? Anyway, we want to give 4x3 TV owners the fun of getting a new WS TV for Christmas and then have the next present being: ABC going WS in their news and a new channel - can you think of a better present in Digital TV terms? So if all forum members donate two dollars towards the "Get WS screen TVs for the unfortunate", we then can all enjoy the coming of ABC 16:9 news on a PROPER Wide-screen TV. DBA wanna get discounts for us loyal and time-giving forum members? The question I wanna ask is, how much of a dent in ABC plans (all) had occured, when they prematurely shut down KIDS and FLY due to budget concerns? DId this delay the WS plans for news etc?
kootaberra Posted October 6, 2004 Posted October 6, 2004 The question I wanna ask is, how much of a dent in ABC plans (all) had occured, when they prematurely shut down KIDS and FLY due to budget concerns? DId this delay the WS plans for news etc? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Answer - NO.
k00k1503559827 Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 I also thinks it bloody ludicrous that the ABC news is still in 4:3. I also find it very amusing that the 7:30 Report is broadcast in 4:3, and Carey sits there talking to his guests on the 16:9 plasma screen. They are then panned and scanned, cine-ed or whatever the terminology is, up to 16:9 from a 4:3 shot. Laughable... cheers k00k
kenneth1503559512 Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 Actually, some of the shots on the 7:30 report plasma are 16:9 from the source with no ARC'ing.
k00k1503559827 Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 Actually, some of the shots on the 7:30 report plasma are 16:9 from the source with no ARC'ing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I'm yet to see them. I've been watching that that show on my 16:9 Xelos in 4:3 mode for the last year or so. Every time I see a guest from another ABC studio interviewed, it is so blatantly zoomed up to fill the screen. When they put the whole image of the guest on the screen you get the full picture. When they pull out of the shot and show the plasma, with Carey sitting on the side, the shot has mysteriously lost quite a few inches off the top and bottom of it. Maybe it only happens to interviewees in other Australian ABC studios? cheers k00k
kootaberra Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 I also thinks it bloody ludicrous that the ABC news is still in 4:3. I also find it very amusing that the 7:30 Report is broadcast in 4:3, and Carey sits there talking to his guests on the 16:9 plasma screen. They are then panned and scanned, cine-ed or whatever the terminology is, up to 16:9 from a 4:3 shot. Laughable... cheers k00k <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sure the ABC will welcome your help if you want to come in and sort them out for the least amount of money.
kenneth1503559512 Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 Actually, some of the shots on the 7:30 report plasma are 16:9 from the source with no ARC'ing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I'm yet to see them. I've been watching that that show on my 16:9 Xelos in 4:3 mode for the last year or so. Every time I see a guest from another ABC studio interviewed, it is so blatantly zoomed up to fill the screen. When they put the whole image of the guest on the screen you get the full picture. When they pull out of the shot and show the plasma, with Carey sitting on the side, the shot has mysteriously lost quite a few inches off the top and bottom of it. Maybe it only happens to interviewees in other Australian ABC studios? cheers k00k <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, they have had it (usually only on the Canberra footage).
ijd Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 C'mon guys ... we have known for months that the ABC is working on a simultaneous 16:9 news rollout throughout their network, rather than a piecemeal job like the commercials have done. I just hope that they do the whole job ... not just the aspect ratio but also up-to-date N&N on sub-channels (are you listening, Ten and SBS?!!), a VPG? (are you listening, 4+3?!!), DD5.1, correct clock, somebody quality controlling broadcasts (are you listening, Nine?!!), etc. Sheeeesh ... if we provided services to these broadcasters at the same low quality that they service us ... they would have us arrested for fraud!!!! 2i cents, Ian
kootaberra Posted October 8, 2004 Posted October 8, 2004 Actually, some of the shots on the 7:30 report plasma are 16:9 from the source with no ARC'ing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I'm yet to see them. I've been watching that that show on my 16:9 Xelos in 4:3 mode for the last year or so. Every time I see a guest from another ABC studio interviewed, it is so blatantly zoomed up to fill the screen. When they put the whole image of the guest on the screen you get the full picture. When they pull out of the shot and show the plasma, with Carey sitting on the side, the shot has mysteriously lost quite a few inches off the top and bottom of it. Maybe it only happens to interviewees in other Australian ABC studios? cheers k00k <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It doesnt quite look zoomed... it seems to be a combination of zoom and horizontal stretch, as well as taking advantage of what is normally overscanned by most tvs... it's a weird effect <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The image on the Plasma is normally 4:3. The studio trends to leave this full screen in a "squashed" mode.
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