stevoz Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) This topic may have been covered (or done to death!) but which is better? Or maybe more to the point, what are the differences in SQ and sound signature? Cheers... Edited May 30, 2017 by stevoz
Grumpy Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 The 3 always gets the nod, even over the 4 which l use, going by past info both here and on line - could be just owners of the 3s bias' ? 1
stevoz Posted May 30, 2017 Author Posted May 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Grumpy said: The 3 always gets the nod, even over the 4 which l use, going by past info both here and on line - could be just owners of the 3s bias' ? I've always aimed for a 3, not sure why but I have read it is generally preferred to the 4. Somewhere along the line it went to the top of my V15 tree. Just curious as to how the 2 stacks up.......
Reverend Johnny Heathen Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 The iii is the go. I have a couple of IIIs and a ii. The ii is good. The three is better. The Supex is better yet... 1
eltech Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 I used to own a mk 4 it was extremely neutral, and highly detailed. A bit like the AT150MLx with obviously more of the Shure house sound. It is an excellent cartridge. I never heard the 2 or 3 but I expect they sound more like an M91 which I do own. Am I correct in my assumption? Ive read that the mk1 sounds like an M55E.
stevoz Posted May 30, 2017 Author Posted May 30, 2017 34 minutes ago, Reverend Johnny Heathen said: The iii is the go. I have a couple of IIIs and a ii. The ii is good. The three is better. The Supex is better yet... Which Supex?
Reverend Johnny Heathen Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 11 hours ago, eltech said: I never heard the 2 or 3 but I expect they sound more like an M91 which I do own. Am I correct in my assumption? I'd say that was a bit of a stretch. Aside from company lineage which may be called 'house sound', I'm not hearing a connection. The V15 Type iii has often been referred to as one of the great MMs of all time, the M91 is what you bolt onto a table before you sell it - as a courtesy - so the buyer is up and running off the bat... Just my 2c, of course. To the OP, post a WTB and you'll get one cheap. The most I've paid was $130 for a NOS. EBay (US) pricing is beyond absurd.
eltech Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 I'd say that was a bit of a stretch. Aside from company lineage which may be called 'house sound', I'm not hearing a connection. The V15 Type iii has often been referred to as one of the great MMs of all time, the M91 is what you bolt onto a table before you sell it - as a courtesy - so the buyer is up and running off the bat... Just my 2c, of course. To the OP, post a WTB and you'll get one cheap. The most I've paid was $130 for a NOS. EBay (US) pricing is beyond absurd. Are you saying the mk3 does not sound like a Shure cartridge? They sound like Shure to me.
Batty Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I have a JICO neo SAS stylus in mine at the moment, sound is fantastic. Edited May 30, 2017 by Batty
Reverend Johnny Heathen Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 5 hours ago, eltech said: Are you saying the mk3 does not sound like a Shure cartridge? They sound like Shure to me. Didn't think I'd said anything even close to that? What I was trying to get across is that IMO, aside from House Sound, they're two distinctly different beasts. The Type III being far more refined. Again, IMO and as heard in my system over the years.
cheekyboy Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 I reckon I've had most if not all the V15s since I started buying them back in the early '70s and several versions I had more than one, like the Type III which was my favourite Shure cart and I still have at least a couple here, but they're not being used at the moment. So yes, my vote would definitely be for the Type III if you have a choice. Cheers, Keith 1
eltech Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Didn't think I'd said anything even close to that? What I was trying to get across is that IMO, aside from House Sound, they're two distinctly different beasts. The Type III being far more refined. Again, IMO and as heard in my system over the years. Thanks for clarifying, and describing the sound. I have no doubt the V series is better. I think they have laminated pole pieces or something like that which the regular Shures don't have. I had a V15 mk 4. I thought it sounded like a Shure- which is a good thing! I don't understand the dislike for the mk 4. It was excellent. 1
Peter_F Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 My vote goes to the MK3 also, but just to upset the locals things have progressed and IMO the Shure M97xE is a better cart.
eltech Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 My vote goes to the MK3 also, but just to upset the locals things have progressed and IMO the Shure M97xE is a better cart. It doesn't surprise me that you think it's better. It has the metal body of the V15 mk 5, and might have some of the mk 5 generator design incorporated into it? It's certainly newer. You can't go wrong with any Shure cartridge IMO. They all sound good. 1
stevoz Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Peter_F said: My vote goes to the MK3 also, but just to upset the locals things have progressed and IMO the Shure M97xE is a better cart. Very interesting.........I have an M97xE and I like it as well, it's not my favourite but definitely a nice sounding cart. I sort of suspect any V15 model won't beat the best of my small collection, but if the M97 represents the "Shure" sound, I like it and the V15 has always intrigued me....especially the MkIII. Edited May 31, 2017 by stevoz
Happy Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 My vote goes to the MK3 also, but just to upset the locals things have progressed and IMO the Shure M97xE is a better cart. My experience has been the opposite. In fact the 97xE was nowhere as good as v15iii. Not even in the same league Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 2
stevoz Posted June 9, 2017 Author Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Happy said: My experience has been the opposite. In fact the 97xE was nowhere as good as v15iii. Not even in the same league Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Interesting again! I suspected as much. The 'iii' is still on my list then.....
cheekyboy Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Happy said: My experience has been the opposite. In fact the 97xE was nowhere as good as v15iii. Not even in the same league Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Agree 100%, the 97xE is not in the same neighbourhood let alone ball park. Cheers, Keith 1
Batty Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Wrong state even, let alone ballpark... JICO neoSAS is awesome.
Grumpy Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Happy said: My experience has been the opposite. In fact the 97xE was nowhere as good as v15iii. Not even in the same league Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Or the 4 . l have a 97 and a 4
catman Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 G'day all, interesting. Well as I've always maintained, optimum capacitance loading (250 to 300 picofarads overall), is the key to get the best out of the standard stylus M97xE, and when you do, it ain't half bad, imho. The V15III has a laminated coil core generator assembly and yes the high frequency linearity and extension is superb, but in my opinion unless heavily loaded with capacitance (400 to 500 picofarads overall), I've always found it way too bright for my ears. Regards, Felix.
Happy Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 V15iii is far, far, farrrrrrrrrr from being bright to me. There are other carts that can be called bright. But not v15iii. If you call the ability to extract half decent details being bright then probably yeah. 97xE by comparison would then be dull and suffocating Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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