betty boop Posted May 29, 2017 Posted May 29, 2017 Looks like the new renault megane RS has had a reveal http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/renault-shows-off-new-megane-rs-in-monaco-20170527-gwenkg.html a bit like the current GT but with all the faster bits ! 5 door ? engine based on the alpine coupe. 4ws off the GT and great to see both manual and dual clutch transmissions on offer. though price could be scary given the GT is priced around the golf gti putting the RS in the mix of golf R, wrx sti and focus rs ? but those are also AWD machines ? makes the current one a HUGE bargain and probably want to grab one while can. seeing martykt's rs ...its a great car. 1
betty boop Posted September 12, 2017 Author Posted September 12, 2017 looks like this earlier leaks was then right, here in red, http://performancedrive.com.au/2018-renault-megane-r-s-leaks-revealing-1021/#! like in red.... as with the interior... 1
Briz Vegas Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) I prefer the Tonic orange. Edited September 12, 2017 by Briz Vegas 1
betty boop Posted September 12, 2017 Author Posted September 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, Briz Vegas said: I prefer the Tonic orange briz I know for sure you want a sip of that tonic from one french car lover to another ... am not sure the tonic one a good advertisement for the model... am sure I can see poor panel alignment between the hood and A pillar, but i guess thats french build quality for you, or is it spanish or turkish or wherever renault is building these things .....
Briz Vegas Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) With modern aerodynamics I guess panel gaps are more of an issue, but it never worried my 306 which was not great in that regard. Everything opened and shut just fine for 2 decades. The 308s panels are fine......but I have a new rear axle on order thanks most likely to too much cost cutting on the initial design ( problem is all over the forums, apparently in the Korean market they are replacing it as part of a service, just like a recall, elsewhere, like here, they wait for you to complain. I once test drove a little red 205gti and at 35,000 km it had a similar rear end noise.....which may be partly why I ended up with a new and more substantial 306). Reliability and and quality are one thing, but god please deliver us from boring cars. Better a fussy valve amp than a trouble free anonymous Bose dull-o-magic device. Edited September 12, 2017 by Briz Vegas
betty boop Posted January 23, 2018 Author Posted January 23, 2018 hmm prices have been leaked... https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/renault-megane-rs-prices-leaked-117034.html?trackLink=SMH2?ffref=theage though while they say competitively priced, it looks like its aiming to be competing with the focus RS. civic type R ? how is that ? arent they faster paced in a tier up ? we are looking at the based model of the car coming in at $47,490 car before onroads for the dual clutch car which without any other options is going to end up well over $50k ? very confusingly as they also say it is competing with golf gti but that comes in at under $40k these days, just over 40 on road. performance wise yes i think these are both in the 6 sec 0-100 type cars so that equates. I dont get the price over $10k over the golf gti if trying to compete though. that is more golf R territory infact pricing is about line ball with golf R grid version. am i confusing things somewhere when thinking they have over priced this putting in the wrong price bracket and will end up meaning it just gets discounted and see a bit of depreciation as result ? seems a bit of a trend with french cars at present same thing happened with the peugeot 308 gti. ps strange the dual clutch is just a 6 speed where most are going 7-8 speed now days. pity also the base sport misses out even at price it is on getting the proper limited slip diff ?. so have to pony up for the cup and trophy ? which is going to cost how much ? remembering how my golf gti used to scramble for power with even less power am thinking a LSD is almost going to be a necessity for a fwd with 200kw of power ! I'm sure still be an awesome car, renault has built up a good bit of red wiht the previous RS series, though I get the feeling going to miss the mark a little this time around. "Renault’s next-gen Megane RS hot hatch looks set to be competitively priced in Australia, undercutting key rivals such as the Honda Civic Type R and Ford Focus RS . Dealers have started contacting customers ahead of the car’s arrival around April, reportedly telling Renault owners the first batch of Megane RS hatchbacks will be on sale in six-speed manual form for $44,990 plus on-road costs. A six-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission is available for the first time in the Megane RS for an additional $2500. The first batch of cars is expected to be “Sport” models designed to take on Volkswagen’s Golf GTI. More focused “Cup” and “Trophy” variants will arrive in the second half of 2018, bringing stiffer suspension than the Sport as well as a proper limited slip differential absent in the entry-level model."
lucmor444 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 That is an interesting pricing for the Megane. But I guess they have the problem of dealing with how high they have priced the Clio R.S. Cup. I expect the Megane R.S. Cup will be a terrific car. I just wonder how much better it will be than the Gti or the i30N performance for the extra price you have to pay. I think Renault do not have the right pricing for most of their cars. They seem to think they may be perceived as a more prestige product here in Oz and I don’t think they have the product or reputation for that thinking (notwithstanding the class of the previous Megane R.S.).
RockandorRoll Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 That price lines up to me. I couldnt find a GTI for less than $45k, with demo models still being above $40k. You have to spend nearly $50k to get a GTI with the Performance Pack and LSD. Focus RS and Civic are both near $60k by the time you put them on the road, the Grid R seems to have closed the gap down to the new Meg though. Looks like they have done their homework and I think if they hold that near $50k price, it should pick up a few new buyers. Whats odd is what that price will do to the GT Megane which came out at nearly that exact same price. Surely that thing is due for a price cut. The GT has a 7 speed EDC, so its not like they cant source them, just didnt want it for this car - im sure there is a reason (possibly torque load). Its also funny how when the GT was launched, they labelled it their GTI equivalent. Seems they have flip flopped their story while the GTI was getting its boost increases.
betty boop Posted January 24, 2018 Author Posted January 24, 2018 32 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: That price lines up to me. I couldnt find a GTI for less than $45k, with demo models still being above $40k. not looking very hard then even before a haggle its 38 before and $42k on the road ! this is on VW website. haggle and be well under 40 ! new 33 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: You have to spend nearly $50k to get a GTI with the Performance Pack and LSD. yeah but the megane sport at over $50k doesnt come with LSD ... not sure how good value is on the gti performance pack. 34 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: Focus RS and Civic are both near $60k by the time you put them on the road which is why i have no idea why they are comparing to them as in out right speed i woudl have thought a class above in any case. 34 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: Grid R seems to have closed the gap down to the new Meg though yes the golf R grid at similar money which doesnt need the lsd 57 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: Whats odd is what that price will do to the GT Megane which came out at nearly that exact same price. seen them being cleared at 30 something so not sure whats going on there. I cant see how GT would be GTI equivalent either. GT is more warm than hot hatch the RS and GTI are ? I see it all a bit confusing overall ! especially if you say they were comparing the GT to GTI at one stage !
RockandorRoll Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 seen them being cleared at 30 something so not sure whats going on there. I cant see how GT would be GTI equivalent either. GT is more warm than hot hatch the RS and GTI are ? I just built a fully optioned GTI on the VW website and it came to $57k. With no features except the DSG, it was $48k. SA must get screwed royally with car pricing. But even if I search Carsales in Vic, there's is nothing under $45k brand new. We won't get into haggle pricing because after having owned both a GTI and a RenaultSport, Renault are a lot easier to get a deal with. I suppose at the time of the GT launch it had 155kw and 280nm, they probably thought that stacked up against the 162/350 GTI. It didn't.
betty boop Posted January 24, 2018 Author Posted January 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: I just built a fully optioned GTI on the VW website and it came to $57k. With no features except the DSG, it was $48k. SA must get screwed royally with car pricing. But even if I search Carsales in Vic, there's is nothing under $45k brand new. We won't get into haggle pricing because after having owned both a GTI and a RenaultSport, Renault are a lot easier to get a deal with. I suppose at the time of the GT launch it had 155kw and 280nm, they probably thought that stacked up against the 162/350 GTI. It didn't. id never fully option up a GTI ! as thats plain nuts to pay $57k for one id rather get a golf R for that money and comes with most things anyhow. golf gti fully optioned your getting things like leather, dynaudio and full active dash the LSD etc and such you just cant get on the megane anyhow ? in any case we must be looking at different models or something, am not even building its just there on the VW price to see. either that or you dont get what we get or something ! I do have to pop in my post code. car sales I've found a bit of a joke ! basically what i have been told is just because a car is listed on there doesnt mean that what sells for. most people hike up the price allowing some haggle room no doubt. its a bit like rebook... no dealer trades at rebook pricing and no one wants to pay what things should go for as per redbook...but still that i suspect is what cars sales listings start at ! re GT we are looking at 7-8 0-100 I'm pretty sure ? which is mazda sp25, i30sr warm hatch territory. golf gti is 0-100 6 sec hot hatch which is where the megane RS base model is isnt it ? . and golf R is ~ 4 sec no idea if megane cup and trophy will get in that sort of speed. anyways 0-100 isnt everything !
rantan Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 9:43 PM, al said: hmm prices have been leaked... https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/renault-megane-rs-prices-leaked-117034.html?trackLink=SMH2?ffref=theage though while they say competitively priced, it looks like its aiming to be competing with the focus RS. civic type R ? how is that ? arent they faster paced in a tier up ? we are looking at the based model of the car coming in at $47,490 car before onroads for the dual clutch car which without any other options is going to end up well over $50k ? very confusingly as they also say it is competing with golf gti but that comes in at under $40k these days, just over 40 on road. performance wise yes i think these are both in the 6 sec 0-100 type cars so that equates. I dont get the price over $10k over the golf gti I don't understand. According to the VWA website a four door GTI in DSG with no options is $48,596 drive away.
betty boop Posted January 24, 2018 Author Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, rantan said: According to the VWA website a four door GTI in DSG with no options is $48,596 drive away. nope. mine does say the offer ends mar 31st. maybe only for my area. but it is as i stated theres no way id pay nearly $49k for one !
betty boop Posted January 24, 2018 Author Posted January 24, 2018 @RockandorRoll I checked renault GT pricing you were talking about and this really confuses things ! and it is $41,590 drive away http://www.renault.com.au/vehicles/cars/megane/hatch/gt#features and this without anything no sunroof or leather or metallic ? either ? add all that likely get up there. with 1.6L turbo auto it is definitely hyundia i30SR direct competition but thats more like 25-30k car ! and the mazda sp25 is also a 25-30k car. the renault is still a renault I guess but its also in the GT at quite a premium. given where the GT is priced I can see why on roads the RS is gong to end up effectively a $50k there about car and not sure what options thats with.
Rob181 Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 8 hours ago, rantan said: According to the VWA website a four door GTI in DSG with no options is $48,596 drive away. Cheapest R Grid (manual) $49990...drive away before haggling... https://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Volkswagen-Golf-2017/OAG-AD-15504654/?Cr=0 Cheapest R Grid DSG $53990...drive away before haggling... https://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Volkswagen-Golf-2017/OAG-AD-15529595/?Cr=2 With Al here...Renault have not been big sellers nor have a great rep in AUS... Premium pricing a lesser product Vs a market leader in the hot hatch segment is a recipe for disaster... Then watch those loyal customers who did pay the premium disappear for ever once the "real" price has been reached via LARGE discounts... And/or depreciation has been factored in the "real" price on resale or trade in time...a few years hence... 1
RockandorRoll Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 Yep the Grid R really has closed the gap as mentioned before. I cant see why anyone would buy the GTI for nearly the same money. I wonder if they launched that knowing what Renault were thinking. The Megane Cup for the same price ($50K) with 220kw and the LSD will be equivalent to the R's 214kw so should be a good match up in terms of track times even with out the pseudo AWD. Not sure if the 0-100km/h time will be in Renaults favour, but thats never been the reason why people buy Renaults anyway. 1
rantan Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) I didn't state an opinion. The fact is that for postcode 5000 a basic GTI is $48.5 K,which seems like the cheapest GTI variant around. It seems that Melbourne must be lucky with a very decent special price I never once mentioned anything about Renault GT pricing and the discussion about the GT is irrelevant. The thread title is New Megane RS,which is priced similarly to the Golf and the GT is not and has never been a GTI competitor. As regards the GT and since the topic of it it has entered the thread, as @:) al says it is closer to a Hyundai i30 SR, although it drives much,much better than that car ,as you would expect given the price differential. I loved the GT and went close to buying the wagon model. Low residual values put me off though As regards the RS I would have one any day of the week over a Golf GTI As an OT, the Hyundai i30N is going to makes things very difficult for both Renault and VW, although I suspect some people out there will be badge blinded and not even try it out. edit: the price for a manual GTI for postcode 3000 is $42990 until 31 st March. DSG is $45,490, probably 2017 plated so its no bargain Edited January 25, 2018 by rantan
RockandorRoll Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, rantan said: I never once mentioned anything about Renault GT pricing and the discussion about the GT is irrelevant. The thread title is New Megane RS,which is priced similarly to the Golf and the GT is not and has never been a GTI competitor. When the GT launched, Renault outright said that they see the GT as a GTI competitor and the new RS (while still in concept) will be a competitor to the R and RS. It came into the discussion because when it launched it was at the same price as what they want to launch the RS with. Its relevant because they seem to have changed their stance on where they see the RS (topic of conversation) fitting into the Megane lineup. It now seems that the GT has been pushed aside and the various levels of the RS have been priced to compete against the GTI and the R. The pricing reveal has muddled the entire lineup of where the GT and RS were supposed to sit. 2
lucmor444 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Reviews starting to come in on the RS Sport. Not gushing but still good (ie 4 stars out of 5). No real info yet on the RS Cup but some references indicating its handling should be competitive with the R-Type. The Cup (or Trophy) seems to be the ones to go for if they don't cost too much and you want the benefit of the LSD that has been so good for the RS in the past (and the additional power of the Trophy). 1
betty boop Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 I see this driving review here No doubt the 4 wheel steer will be magic the engine sounds a bit gruff ? And perhaps in cabin a bit loud day to day ? Still good to hear it sounds sporty ! Though wonder if has bi modal exhaust as some cars have. Also wonder if has adaptive suspension ? For relative comfort off the track am not sure on its a4 portrait dash screen though definitely its a nicely styled machine inside and out I think. Infact one of nicest
lucmor444 Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 I agree - it is a good looking beast and I think it is best looking amongst the current crop (although I also like the Ford RS Focus). R-Type is just too OTT for me albeit it looks a lot better in black Keen to see the first comparisons that includes the GTi Performance, i30N Performance and the RS Cup. 1
RockandorRoll Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Looks great as it comes around the corner. I expect other manufacturers will start making the the lower front spoilers sit wider to get that aggressive, "snow plow" look 5.8 to 60 sounds pretty good for the Sport
betty boop Posted February 1, 2018 Author Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, RockandorRoll said: Looks great as it comes around the corner. I expect other manufacturers will start making the the lower front spoilers sit wider to get that aggressive, "snow plow" look 5.8 to 60 sounds pretty good for the Sport good video that one. but i think confirms the LSD is really only there with the Cup model ? but then it also gets the stiffer suspension. good they have improved things with the hydraulic bump stops though. i like the snap crackle and pop etc going on in the exhaust, but again wonder if this is bi-modal and can be turned off as he says there is the trophy model up again and wonder what that brings ! I agree with the comments before that while its still around the 0-100 6sec these cars are not about just outright speed and its the handling and control where likely what theyre all about
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