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Cartridge 'house' sound and why we like or hate it!


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G'day all, for the last few days I've been putting my Ortofon Super OM10 into use and I'm ready to put my Shure M97xE back into operation. 

 

It's a bit strange that although I like the Ortofon Super OM10, it's not a cartridge that I can 'live with'.  To articulate why, is actually difficult but I find the Super OM10 a little 'light sounding' and I find the Shure M97xE a 'beefier' sounding cartridge with better and more satisfying bass 'weight' and a generally smoother sound. 

 

I guess others might take a contrary view. :unsure:  What are others preferred cartridge 'house' sound?  Regards, Felix.        

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I'm a bit odd maybe, Felix. But I aim for a system sound rather than a house sound of any one particular part of the whole.

 

I'm probable and oddball in this hobby.

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Felix, the 2M Red is not the 2M series, it is just the entry level representative of the series. I'm with the C'geek in that I run a 2M Bronze also, and am not inclined to change any time soon.

 

Although! no matter what the cart, it is one part of the system, and no one series or one cart will suit every system or every listeners tastes.

 

Edit: and maybe let me be the oddball this time ;)

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G'day mate, yes I know that the Bronze is extremely well regarded and the Red is the bottom rung model but I was so horribly disappointed in the Red's overall performance, that I cannot bring myself to try any other model in that series!  That's my problem, I guess.  Regards, Felix. 

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Well, need to stay in the context of budget and tables, so I'm just wondering if you have ever tried a NAGAOKA cart?

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IME, the house sound of a certain brand shows from at least its midline offerings. Lower or entry stuff aims at accommodating, well, those who need to address the global needs.

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2m black and bronze are beauty of two cartridges. I have a friend who has these and also a nagaoka but haven't heard the later.

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One of the best set ups I've heard was running the Black

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G'day mate, yes I know that the Bronze is extremely well regarded and the Red is the bottom rung model but I was so horribly disappointed in the Red's overall performance, that I cannot bring myself to try any other model in that series! That's my problem, I guess. Regards, Felix.

Was it the tone you were disappointed with, or lack of detail? I've heard Muon's 2M Bronze and to my ears at least it's a very detailed and honest cart.

The closest I have to it is my rebodied SC35C with HE stylus, my 3rd favorite cart. Its frequency response isn't as linear though.

My favorite cart was my mahogany bodied Denon DL103, followed by my shibata tipped DL303. The DL303 on the other hand matches the frequency response of the 2M Bronze, except with the lovely Denon house sound.

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Hay, Matt :)

 

The SC35C with HE stylus sounded nice enough, but that bloom around the vocals I probably could not live with after owning the Bronze. Not sure what else to describe it as, but the blackness around things was obscured by this bloom I described . I like a more accurate sound, as you know ;)

 

Still, nice for the cost though.

 

Edit: @@MattyW Actually, It's a pity we didn't have more time to go back and forth with things, as this tends to be more revealing of differences rather than a single switch over.

 

Maybe next time!

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Hay, Matt :)

The SC35C with HE stylus sounded nice enough, but that bloom around the vocals I probably could not live with after owning the Bronze. Not sure what else to describe it as, but the blackness around things was obscured buy this bloom I described . I like a more accurate sound, as you know ;)

Still, nice for the cost though.

Edit: @@MattyW Actually, It's a pity we didn't have more time to go back and forth with things, as this tends to be more revealing of differences rather than a single switch over.

Maybe next time!

Hmmm, I don't know what is meant by bloom. I lack the connection with the term and the sound in my mind so I can recognise it. Maybe in time.

On the other hand, there's a smoothness to the Shure that's hard to beat. I still miss my DL103. Managed to snap the stylus of the replacement while removing the plastic body. Going to save for a Shibata tip + cantilever.

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Hmmm, I don't know what is meant by bloom. I lack the connection with the term and the sound in my mind so I can recognise it. Maybe in time.

On the other hand, there's a smoothness to the Shure that's hard to beat. I still miss my DL103. Managed to snap the stylus of the replacement while removing the plastic body. Going to save for a Shibata tip + cantilever.

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If we can do another session and compare things again but over a longer period and using more than one LP you may get my meaning.

 

This is not the new one you were waiting on? :ohmy: If so that sucks to have that happen, especially as It's your fav' cart :(

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If we can do another session and compare things again but over a longer period and using more than one LP you may get my meaning.

This is not the new one you were waiting on? :ohmy: If so that sucks to have that happen, especially as It's your fav' cart :(

Yes, not much fun. I'm going to save a little each week to have it fixed. $320 for a new cantilever and Shibata tip.

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How would you know when a stylus is worn out otherwise? if you wait till you are hearing obvious distortions you have likely already damaged records in ya' collection.

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